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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 2 @ 8:59 AM ET
He's got something that trumps a NMC...nobody wants him
- Jsaquella


Nobody Wants Clause: NWC
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:59 AM ET
Here's hoping they dress 7D and Colie's the guy coming back in.
- Tomahawk


They should just bench Grossmann, the guy whose CF% drops all the way down to 40 when he's forced to play tougher minutes. The guy who is a total anchor on our best offensive dman Streit.

Streit CF% with Grossmann = 43.8
Streit CF% without Grossmann = 57.5
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 2 @ 8:59 AM ET
He's definitely a problem, but he's just one of dozens this team has.
- Tomahawk


Lucky he was locked up. I wouldn't want an impending contract dispute with Rinaldo monopolizing Hextall's time.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 2 @ 9:00 AM ET
I just want to know on this team who isn't blowing coverage right now or running around?

The penalties are deadly with how bad the Couturier and Read pairing have been this season on the PK.

- opeth_pa


Rinaldo isn't the only issue and he's a very minor one. I understand why people get irked about him, though. He doesn't bring enough, IMO, to offset the negatives. But he's small potatoes in the area of what is really plaguing the team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 2 @ 9:01 AM ET
I just want to know on this team who isn't blowing coverage right now or running around?

The penalties are deadly with how bad the Couturier and Read pairing have been this season on the PK.

- opeth_pa


First of all, Rinaldo has taken 8 minor penalties on the season.

The PK has been a big issue with this team, this season. Rinaldo is a member of that PK. Rinaldo has played a total of 15:36 of PK time. He has been on the ice for zero PP goals against.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:01 AM ET
They should just bench Grossmann, the guy whose CF% drops all the way down to 40 when he's forced to play tougher minutes. The guy who is a total anchor on our best offensive dman Streit.

Streit CF% with Grossmann = 43.8
Streit CF% without Grossmann = 57.5

- Feanor


Grossmann/Streit have been brutal the past couple of games... like worst that duo has ever looked.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 2 @ 9:02 AM ET
They should just bench Grossmann, the guy whose CF% drops all the way down to 40 when he's forced to play tougher minutes. The guy who is a total anchor on our best offensive dman Streit.

Streit CF% with Grossmann = 43.8
Streit CF% without Grossmann = 57.5

- Feanor


Have to be careful there. When Streit isn't playing with Grossmann, who is he playing with? And in what situations and score effects.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 2 @ 9:04 AM ET
There hasn't been that many bad penalties this season. A physical player like Rinaldo is going to get some penalties. Overall, he's done a good job with discipline.
- MJL


ah yes the good old days when the biggest problem was the 4th line winger that plays 6 minutes a night.....hopefully we are back to debating him soon...
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 2 @ 9:06 AM ET
ah yes the good old days when the biggest problem was the 4th line winger that plays 6 minutes a night.....hopefully we are back to debating him soon...
- landros 2


I never knew it was so simple.

1.Bench Rinaldo
2.Win Cup
3.Profit
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 2 @ 9:07 AM ET
I never knew it was so simple.

1.Bench Rinaldo
2.Win Cup
3.Profit

- MBFlyerfan


With the ticket prices, it's more like

1. Profit
2. Profit
3. Profit
1016. Win Cup
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:08 AM ET
Nobody Wants Clause: NWC
- Tomahawk


No doubt, but maybe the guy can make himself serviceable enough for someone to take a chance on him in the event of injury or whatever.

He's never going to go anywhere playing like he is currently.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 2 @ 9:08 AM ET
No doubt, but maybe the guy can make himself serviceable enough for someone to take a chance on him in the event of injury or whatever.

He's never going to go anywhere playing like he is currently.

- johndewar


I can't see anyone taking that deal
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:11 AM ET
No doubt, but maybe the guy can make himself serviceable enough for someone to take a chance on him in the event of injury or whatever.

He's never going to go anywhere playing like he is currently.

- johndewar


Think GM's have seen enough guys like Heatley, Briere, and Gomez get their change of scenery and flop badly... expensive one-way finesse players who can't crack a top-6... they're about as toxic as mortgage-backed securities.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Dec 2 @ 9:13 AM ET
Rinaldo isn't the only issue and he's a very minor one. I understand why people get irked about him, though. He doesn't bring enough, IMO, to offset the negatives. But he's small potatoes in the area of what is really plaguing the team.
- Jsaquella


I see why people are angry with Rino, but as you say, he's far from the biggest issue. If Read Simmer and to a lesser extent coots get going, that would go a long way to helping us. An indication of how bad everyone but the first line has been (and also a compliment to 49's play) is that Laughton has come in and moved right up to the second line. At this point, I can't see Umby or Vinny improving, so I hope that Laughton starts finding his scoring touch. He's definitely had chances and i think he will start to contribute soon. If that happens, then it's permanent scratch from one of 18 or 40.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Dec 2 @ 9:15 AM ET
I wonder if the Flyers are interested in signing Rusty Fedotenko and or Jiri Dopita. Both would fit in perfectly with Hamburger and Vincent.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 2 @ 9:16 AM ET
I can't see anyone taking that deal
- Jsaquella

No way in hell. Especially not now.
Fast_Eddie_1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Vorhees, NJ
Joined: 01.31.2012

Dec 2 @ 9:18 AM ET
I don't understand Berube's decisions. He makes Bellemare a healthy scratch but Umberger is still in. Bellemare has been way better than Umberger this season. I think R.J is blackmailing the Flyers somehow. I don't know any other way to describe it.
- RobFlyers#1


Maybe corpse is playing because if he didn't, the Flyers (Hexy in particular) would look foolish trading Hartnell for a healthy scratch.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 2 @ 9:21 AM ET
Maybe corpse is playing because if he didn't, the Flyers (Hexy in particular) would look foolish trading Hartnell for a healthy scratch.
- Fast_Eddie_1



I would be amazed if Umberger is not bought out at the end of the season. A 1.6 million dollar cap hit over two seasons is worth it. Plus you can sign a decent replacement at less than 3 million and still be saving money on the cap. And by decent I mean someone who can contribute more. At this point that would be a league minimum guy.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 2 @ 9:21 AM ET
Maybe corpse is playing because if he didn't, the Flyers (Hexy in particular) would look foolish trading Hartnell for a healthy scratch.
- Fast_Eddie_1


He's playing cause he's been better than Vinny.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:23 AM ET
Think GM's have seen enough guys like Heatley, Briere, and Gomez get their change of scenery and flop badly... expensive one-way finesse players who can't crack a top-6... they're about as toxic as mortgage-backed securities.
- Tomahawk


Well, they need to do something and a benching is a step in the right direction. If this sparks him to do something.....even just be serviceable.....then great. If it comes down to burying him altogether and only unearthing him in the event of injury, then so be it.

It beats the status quo.

Great analogy, btw.....
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 2 @ 9:24 AM ET
You think Hextall has given permission to Vinny's agent to find a deal. Pretty much like

" Vinny, you have a NMC, so you either go find a deal and be willing to waive it or get comfortable with less minutes"
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:27 AM ET
You think Hextall has given permission to Vinny's agent to find a deal. Pretty much like

" Vinny, you have a NMC, so you either go find a deal and be willing to waive it or get comfortable with less minutes"

- J35Bacher


Depends all on how frustrated Vinny gets, I guess.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 2 @ 9:29 AM ET
So, VLC is benched...one down and one to go.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 2 @ 9:31 AM ET
Don't like putting Rinaldo on the Couts/Read line.

Those guys play tough minutes and while I'm not a Rinaldo basher, I don't think that is the best spot for him.

Kudos for benching Lacavalier.
First step to getting him out of here.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 2 @ 9:31 AM ET
So, VLC is benched...one down and one to go.
- BiggE


Looking at you, Zomberger.....

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