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vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Dec 2 @ 7:58 PM ET
Hexy be a fool if he dont draft McCool
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 2 @ 8:00 PM ET
I agree to a certain extent. I think playing with a play maker and puck distributor would certainly help him. I saw a player that to me, isn't playing with enough intensity, has been guilty of not moving his feet too many times. And just isn't getting into the right areas of the ice. I don't expect him to be a puck pressure player, because I don't think he has that in him anymore
- MJL

Agreed
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:00 PM ET
He waives his NMC to get traded. I guess I'm confused if a NMC still stands after a trade or not.
- hereticpride


Technically, a movement clause is voided when a player is traded. However, a player can make having his movement clause remaining intact with the team he's being traded to, as a condition for accepting the trade.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 2 @ 8:00 PM ET
That's what happens when you know that if you aren't bringing it every night, you won't be part of the future -- theirs and maybe nobody else's

There's something to be said for short contracts and less job security, for some guys

- AllInForFlyers


There's the Ted Nolan effect, too... that guy could squeeze blood out of a turnip.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 2 @ 8:00 PM ET
and the Sabres have 3 #1s
- vejim

Give that team 5 years and they will be filthy.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:03 PM ET
spring for Sprong
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 2 @ 8:04 PM ET
Technically, a movement clause is voided when a player is traded. However, a player can make having his movement clause remaining intact with the team he's being traded to, as a condition for accepting the trade.
- MJL

Ah ok, in this case Vinny would let it go so he can get waived and be on his merry way to signing with whoever he wants. Does it skate the line of cap circumvention? Maybe. I think all parties could sell it off as an honest trade, he gets waived in training camp in favor of someone younger yadda yadda yadda, free agent.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:08 PM ET
cheers for Speers
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:08 PM ET
There's the Ted Nolan effect, too... that guy could squeeze blood out of a turnip.
- Tomahawk


Some of it is him, because he preaches work first, second and third

But I still believe that the GM has to act decisively when they sense guys aren't buying in

I think that's what happening in Calgary -- the Flames know that Bob Hartley's gonna work them, and they know that the combo of Trevelying and Burke are watching them like hawks, to see who is not
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 2 @ 8:09 PM ET
cheers for Speers
- vejim

Tears for Speers
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:09 PM ET
Tears for Speers
- hereticpride


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:12 PM ET
Ah ok, in this case Vinny would let it go so he can get waived and be on his merry way to signing with whoever he wants. Does it skate the line of cap circumvention? Maybe. I think all parties could sell it off as an honest trade, he gets waived in training camp in favor of someone younger yadda yadda yadda, free agent.
- hereticpride


If the League found out that Lecavalier, the Flyers, and the team they traded him to, all got together and cooked up this scheme, so that the Flyers could get out of the deal. The other team gets some kind of compensation. Or why else would they do it. So Lecavalier could become a free agent. Looking at Cap circumvention, and forfeit of draft picks, heavy fines, etc.

vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:16 PM ET
chatter for Vladar
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 2 @ 8:18 PM ET
I can't stand Chris Vandevelde.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 2 @ 8:20 PM ET
If the League found out that Lecavalier, the Flyers, and the team they traded him to, all got together and cooked up this scheme, so that the Flyers could get out of the deal. The other team gets some kind of compensation. Or why else would they do it. So Lecavalier could become a free agent. Looking at Cap circumvention, and forfeit of draft picks, heavy fines, etc.
- MJL

Well no one would have reason to drop that info, now would they?

Just an idea. Hopefully they just find someone to take him or he hangs em up sooner rather than later. Barring a miracle I don't see how he willingly plays another year here.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:34 PM ET
Well no one would have reason to drop that info, now would they?

Just an idea. Hopefully they just find someone to take him or he hangs em up sooner rather than later. Barring a miracle I don't see how he willingly plays another year here.

- hereticpride


He feels he can still play, and I'm sure he expects to get back in the lineup.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:35 PM ET
I can't stand Chris Vandevelde.
- SuperSchennBros

I can't stand RJ Umberger
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:37 PM ET
did we win?
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:37 PM ET
I can't stand RJ Umberger
- JAKEw1234

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 2 @ 8:38 PM ET
Among 116 forwards with at least 300 minutes of ice time this year, Sean Couturier has the worst zone start percentage of any.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:39 PM ET
Barring a miracle I don't see how he willingly plays another year here.
- hereticpride


Exactly -- I'll bet money that the reason he wants to play another season is to "go out on his own terms." I have little doubt that he thinks he's still a player and that the Flyers just haven't supported him

We'll find out, one way or the other. But one thing I do know is that players are always the last to realize when they're done
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:40 PM ET
Among 116 forwards with at least 300 minutes of ice time this year, Sean Couturier has the worst zone start percentage of any.
- PhillySportsGuy


BUT WHY ISN'T HE SCORING

SISYPHUS IS STILL PUSHING THAT BOULDER UP THE MOUNTAIN AND ATLAS HASN'T SHRUGGED
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 2 @ 8:41 PM ET
My buddy ran into bill clement about an hour ago. A gas station in penndel. Bill said he's "going down to the wells Fargo to call the debacle beat down tonight".
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:41 PM ET
wow Bortuzzo with zero respect for the legend

JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Dec 2 @ 8:42 PM ET
Among 116 forwards with at least 300 minutes of ice time this year, Sean Couturier has the worst zone start percentage of any.
- PhillySportsGuy

I wouldn't call it the worst, I'd call it the hardest. Highest off zone % might be the worst, or at least the easiest.
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