Yeah, let's not pretend he's not in the running for the Barry Ashbee right now.
- Tomahawk

He isn't, because now the battle lines are drawn and hoops needed to be jumped through, because now that the coach has decided to scratch him, then of course it's the right call

Yeah, let's not pretend he's not in the running for the Barry Ashbee right now.
- Tomahawk

Streit would win it right now.

I get he has deficiencies on the defensive side of things

but they have no one outside of Streit capable of offense from the back end right now

he may have been signed as a last minute deal, but as far as puck skill/skating he is badly needed on this team imo
- Marc D

Just because MDZ is a skilled, undersized puck mover doesn't make him a viable option at any given time. I dont care what we "need".

He is a much better skater, he's just slower. There's a huge difference.

Hartnell has absolutely no agility or balance what so ever. Everyones entitled to their opinion obviously, but I don't miss him in the slightest. As bad as Umberger has been, Hartnell wouldn't be doing much better on this team. We're just not very good.
- mochoson

not sure I agree

Hartnell/Schenn/Simmonds was a viable line last year

I am sure Hartnell/Laughton/Simmonds would have been OK

Umberger is a pedestrian 4th liner who kills PKs in an OK fashion and nothing more

I am good with them moving the contract for the future, but they would have a better team right now if the trade did not happen

Streit would win it right now.
- MJL

Not with the way he's playing right now.

Not with the way he's playing right now.
- Tomahawk

Not playing worse then any other defenseman is, including Del Zotto.

It's overdue for a lot of players.
- MJL

you'd expect Umby and Matt Read to be next then because they both have been bad

Just because MDZ is a skilled, undersized puck mover doesn't make him a viable option at any given time. I dont care what we "need".
- mochoson

do not follow what you mean quoting "need"

Not with the way he's playing right now.
- Tomahawk

Avoid the rabbit hole, man -- over the course of this evening, we're going to be told that the player who has played the most minutes on the defense this year is now the worst player on the defense, because the coach who gave him all those minutes is the one who scratched him

It has everything to do with it, because both teams suck. Scott Hartnell might have helped the Flyers be in a playoff position, he might not have. But he's not here, he's there, and neither team is in the playoffs, so it's not as if Hartnell was the final piece to their puzzle, either
- AllInForFlyers

What??? Tell me this is a joke.

Giroux and Hartnell have been line mates for years with pretty good chemistry. It's safe to say that we took from Giroux's offense. The Jackets position has nothing to do with the Flyers. We teaded a productive player, who's still productive on a bad team and traded him for expensive poop.

What??? Tell me this is a joke.

Giroux and Hartnell have been line mates for years with pretty good chemistry. It's safe to say that we took from Giroux's offense. The Jackets position has nothing to do with the Flyers. We teaded a productive player, who's still productive on a bad team and traded him for expensive poop.
- SuperSchennBros

They took away from Giroux's offense? Really?

you'd expect Umby and Matt Read to be next then because they both have been bad
- Marc D

Umberger would've been next in line right after Lecavalier, and both would've been before Bellemare, if I was making the call.

Umberger would've been next in line right after Lecavalier, and both would've been before Bellemare, if I was making the call.
- MJL

thank you

Avoid the rabbit hole, man -- over the course of this evening, we're going to be told that the player who has played the most minutes on the defense this year is now the worst player on the defense, because the coach who gave him all those minutes is the one who scratched him
- AllInForFlyers

No, that would be other people who will do that. The rhetoric has been MacDonald is scratched, so those that don't like the player, say, see I told you he sucks. Now with Del Zotto scratched, those same people that like Del Zotto will say the coach is an idiot!

You haven't once read any statement coming from me, even remotely hinting at calling Del Zotto the worst player on the defense.

He is a much better skater, he's just slower. There's a huge difference.

Hartnell has absolutely no agility or balance what so ever. Everyones entitled to their opinion obviously, but I don't miss him in the slightest. As bad as Umberger has been, Hartnell wouldn't be doing much better on this team. We're just not very good.
- mochoson

An NHL professional hockey player with no agility or balance what so ever you say?

Remarkable. How'd he do it.

How

Did

He

Get

Here?

Must be the shoes...

Not with the way he's playing right now.
- Tomahawk

Tallest midget

Not with the way he's playing right now.
- Tomahawk

They should really give it to no one

They should really give it to no one
- PhillySportsGuy

They should really give it to no one
- PhillySportsGuy

Not even to Coots?

An NHL professional hockey player with no agility or balance what so ever you say?

Remarkable. How'd he do it.

How

Did

He

Get

Here?

Must be the shoes...
- mayorofangrytown

I guess it's just the talent he played with. Briere and Leino went on to great success and Hartnell's career went right in the poopter after that line was broken up.

Not even to Coots?
- Tomahawk

Mason

Best outlet passer on the team

An NHL professional hockey player with no agility or balance what so ever you say?

Remarkable. How'd he do it.

How

Did

He

Get

Here?

Must be the shoes...
- mayorofangrytown

Once in a Lifetime?

They should really give it to no one
- PhillySportsGuy

Kimmo could play 2 weeks and get it

I guess it's just the talent he played with. Briere and Leino went on to great success and Hartnell's career went right in the poopter after that line was broken up.
- PhillySportsGuy

Every regular line he played on here for any length of time produced in a big way.

That's indisputable.

Kimmo could play 2 weeks and get it
- Marc D

It would be such an awkward celebration