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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 1 @ 10:10 AM ET
He's made an entire career out of cheating up the ice, camping in soft spots, and waiting for the puck to come to him. Pretty much the antithesis of the kind of play that Berube/Hexy are asking for.
- Tomahawk


Well, it certainly worked in 2004. I'd love to have that VLC.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 1 @ 10:10 AM ET
Is it just me or does it seem like Simmonds isnt a great fit on any line he plays on. Only time he does anything is on the PP.
- GOA88



I don't think it's that Simmonds isn't a great fit. And to this point, in the last stretch, he hasn't done much at ES. But as a whole, he's been a solid ES point producer. The Flyers, especially if Giroux and Voracek are going to stay together, need another play maker puck carrier in the lineup. Preferably a LW.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 10:11 AM ET

- jak521


I was going to post the guy from Billy Madison, but I refrained.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 10:12 AM ET
Well, it certainly worked in 2004. I'd love to have that VLC.
- jmatchett383


While we are at it, let's get 2006 Pronger and 2008 Playoff Umberger on the case
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 1 @ 10:12 AM ET
I don't think it's that Simmonds isn't a great fit. And to this point, in the last stretch, he hasn't done much at ES. But as a whole, he's been a solid ES point producer. The Flyers, especially if Giroux and Voracek are going to stay together, need another play maker puck carrier in the lineup. Preferably a LW.
- MJL


One thing that's pissing me off about Simmonds is that he needs to play a Hartnell-like game at ES. Even if he's not producing, he needs to be banging bodies out there, mucking it up and making life hell for the opposition. And for the past stretch of games, he's been far too passive for my liking.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 1 @ 10:12 AM ET
I still think of the media player everytime you guys say VLC

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 1 @ 10:12 AM ET
He's made an entire career out of cheating up the ice, camping in soft spots, and waiting for the puck to come to him. Pretty much the antithesis of the kind of play that Berube/Hexy are asking for.
- Tomahawk



This is completely untrue. Ask John Tortorella about how Lecvalier grew as a player under him. He praised Lecavalier for his growth into a complete player, and learning to play the game the right way.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 10:13 AM ET
I wish we could trade G for Toews. It would solve all of our problems and make the Blackhawks terrible.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 1 @ 10:14 AM ET
While we are at it, let's get 2006 Pronger and 2008 Playoff Umberger on the case
- Jsaquella


I'm not saying it's gonna happen. Just that, if we're gonna criticize his style of play, I'm gonna give him credit for making it work in the past.

But I'll also take 2012 MDZ and 2008 Coburn. May as well grab 2006 Timonen, as well.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 1 @ 10:14 AM ET
Thanks Bill. Philly.com also had some good comments on the Flyers woes. G had better start playing more of a leadership role, or he might just be out of here. His numbers aren't bad, but his play of late has been in question; nothing like diving to try to motivate his team the other night. I think that part of the reason Richards, and Carter were traded was that the team just couldn't take it to the next level with them in leadership roles. They were great players in the own right, but those darn long term deals, and having all that money thrown at them went to their heads. If I were GM, I would only sign players to performance laced deals, with a maximum of 4 years. I don't care if the player might leave after that term for more money, because the loyalty days of the past are over. Most players, like coaches have a team life span, and are only money driven. Besides, four years is enough time for the younger players to start taking over. To summarize, this will allow time for your draft picks to develop, and this will keep your cap costs down. In this new age of free agency created by, and forced by the players, this will have to be the new norm. You see it in the other major sports, and now in the NHL. I would love to have certain players on a team for life, but it's just not going to happen if you wish your team to succeed.
Thanks for listening.

- OrangeAndBlack1


Giroux has 6 points in his last 6 games and the 2 games he didn't have points in, the team got shut out. He has 27 points in 23 games. I don't think he's the issue here. Just because the C is on his chest doesn't mean he has the power to make everything better. IMO, he has done his part.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 1 @ 10:15 AM ET
I wish we could trade G for Toews. It would solve all of our problems and make the Blackhawks terrible.
- PhillySportsGuy


We'd be lucky to get Raanta for him.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 1 @ 10:15 AM ET
This is completely untrue. Ask John Tortorella about how Lecvalier grew as a player under him. He praised Lecavalier for his growth into a complete player, and learning to play the game the right way.
- MJL

True. I used to live in Tampa and I have watched Vinny his whole career. To me it just seems like he doesnt have that fire anymore. He still has talent but the desire is lacking. Also not having a playmaker on his wing is killing him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 10:15 AM ET
I'm not saying it's gonna happen. Just that, if we're gonna criticize his style of play, I'm gonna give him credit for making it work in the past.

But I'll also take 2012 MDZ and 2008 Coburn. May as well grab 2006 Timonen, as well.

- jmatchett383


Stanley Cup Here we come.

Nah, I agree, Vinny was not always such a one dimensional player. I don't know the reasons why, I just know he's been terrible as a Flyer.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 10:16 AM ET
We'd be lucky to get Raanta for him.
- jmatchett383


Well at least we'd solve our biggest problem, goaltending
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 1 @ 10:16 AM ET
Giroux has 6 points in his last 6 games and the 2 games he didn't have points in, the team got shut out. He has 27 points in 23 games. I don't think he's the issue here. Just because the C is on his chest doesn't mean he has the power to make everything better. IMO, he has done his part.
- NickTheKid87


I don't think he's the "rah rah" guy or the "Fear of God" type of captain. I'm sure he is well respected in the room and that he's willing to speak his mind, but I don't really think "Captain" when I think of him. Guys like Primeau, Pronger, and even Hatcher and Forsberg, seemed like more captain material. Just my thoughts.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 1 @ 10:17 AM ET
Giroux has 6 points in his last 6 games and the 2 games he didn't have points in, the team got shut out. He has 27 points in 23 games. I don't think he's the issue here. Just because the C is on his chest doesn't mean he has the power to make everything better. IMO, he has done his part.
- NickTheKid87

NO TRUE! He is the captain therefore he is responsible for each and every player on the ice. Even if its not his line. Giroux wont be a good captain until he scores 92g 120a and is a +80 in order to make up for this teams lack of depth.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 10:17 AM ET
I think the Jackets pissed off the injury ninja...Artem Anisimov out 2-3 months with a torn triceps.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 1 @ 10:17 AM ET
Well at least we'd solve our biggest problem, goaltending
- PhillySportsGuy


His save% would be 97.2% for the rest of the season, national writers say Flyers don't have goalie, sv% regresses to 67.3% next year.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 1 @ 10:18 AM ET
This is completely untrue. Ask John Tortorella about how Lecvalier grew as a player under him. He praised Lecavalier for his growth into a complete player, and learning to play the game the right way.
- MJL


Vincent Lecavalier: two-way, power forward, complete player.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 1 @ 10:18 AM ET
I think the Jackets pissed off the injury ninja...Artem Anisimov out 2-3 months with a torn triceps.
- Jsaquella


Maybe they could use Umberger and/or VLC.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 1 @ 10:18 AM ET
Maybe they could use Umberger and/or VLC.
- jmatchett383

PLEASE!!!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 10:19 AM ET
I don't think he's the "rah rah" guy or the "Fear of God" type of captain. I'm sure he is well respected in the room and that he's willing to speak his mind, but I don't really think "Captain" when I think of him. Guys like Primeau, Pronger, and even Hatcher and Forsberg, seemed like more captain material. Just my thoughts.
- jmatchett383


Look no further than last season. Team is in the toilet, he's struggling. he picks up the team and basically carried them to the playoffs. That's all I need to see to not question his leadership.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 1 @ 10:19 AM ET
I still think of the media player everytime you guys say VLC
- BulliesPhan87


Same

(orange pilon logo is hilariously appropriate, tho)
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 1 @ 10:21 AM ET
I don't think it's that Simmonds isn't a great fit. And to this point, in the last stretch, he hasn't done much at ES. But as a whole, he's been a solid ES point producer. The Flyers, especially if Giroux and Voracek are going to stay together, need another play maker puck carrier in the lineup. Preferably a LW.
- MJL




So then wouldn't the smart play to make Simmonds available for a LW with more skill.

Yes I know what Simmonds brings but is it so much he can't be moved for a more pressing need? You might be able to get a nice package for simmonds.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 1 @ 10:22 AM ET
So then wouldn't the smart play to make Simmonds available for a LW with more skill.

Yes I know what Simmonds brings but is it so much he can't be moved for a more pressing need? You might be able to get a nice package for simmonds.

- J35Bacher

If we trade Simmonds than this team would literally have no heart or fight in them left. IMO
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