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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 2:58 PM ET
Inflated stats. Boychuk is about as good as Coburn. Maybe. Thats not saying much
- GOA88


He's the #1 dman on a good team. He's clearly better than Coburn
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 1 @ 2:59 PM ET
Except one is one of the top defensemen on a team that has the most points in the NHL and the other is the top defenseman on a team that is 1 point ahead of the Sabres.
- Jsaquella



He actually does what we wished Coburn would do.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 2:59 PM ET
Yeah. He knows what he's talking about though. This isn't Barry Melrose or some poop
- PhillySportsGuy


He does. And he's right. Andrew MacDonald has the 28th highest cap hit in the NHL among defensemen. He's been playing poorly and was a healthy scratch against a divisional rival in a big game.

That says more than Ferraro did.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 3:00 PM ET
He actually does what we wished Coburn would do.
- J35Bacher


Yes. Basically.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 1 @ 3:00 PM ET
Which one of Holmgren's albatrosses will come up on the old Wheel o healthy scratch tomorrow night?

1. Ronald MacDonald
2. Luke Sloth
3. Vinny Lecadavier.

Is their a coffin in the press box with RJ's name on it?

Exciting times, lots to look forward to. Tune in tomorrow night.

- PLindbergh31

play Amac and Luke
Scratch Vinny
RJ and Rinaldo on the 4th
PEBs to the top nine at wing
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 1 @ 3:00 PM ET
Inflated stats. Boychuk is about as good as Coburn. Maybe. Thats not saying much
- GOA88


im not a coburn basher, but i think boychuk is better. he is doing things that people would like coburn to do, without the benefit of that other partner that coburn likely needs
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 3:00 PM ET
He's the #1 dman on a good team. He's clearly better than Coburn
- PhillySportsGuy


He's also on a team where there's 3 or 4 guys who would be the Flyers top D man
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 1 @ 3:00 PM ET
He's the #1 dman on a good team. He's clearly better than Coburn
- PhillySportsGuy

The Isles dont have a great D-Core. Idk if you noticed.... They are playing like a team. Thats the big difference with them this season. Boychuk is a 3 or 4 defensmen on a team with GOOD defensemen.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 1 @ 3:00 PM ET
He actually does what we wished Coburn would do.
- J35Bacher

Coburn with a hard accurate shot
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Dec 1 @ 3:01 PM ET
Except one is one of the top defensemen on a team that has the most points in the NHL and the other is the top defenseman on a team that is 1 point ahead of the Sabres.
- Jsaquella


Ouch.. it actually hurts a little to read that...
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 1 @ 3:02 PM ET
He's also on a team where there's 3 or 4 guys who would be the Flyers top D man
- Jsaquella

Again. That isnt saying much at all. The Flyers defense is horrendous.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 1 @ 3:02 PM ET
The Isles dont have a great D-Core. Idk if you noticed.... They are playing like a team. Thats the big difference with them this season. Boychuk is a 3 or 4 defensmen on a team with GOOD defensemen.
- GOA88

Hamonic Boychuk Leddy are all pretty solid
Vis is good too

In a weak metro their D is fine
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 1 @ 3:02 PM ET
Yeah. He knows what he's talking about though. This isn't Barry Melrose or some poop
- PhillySportsGuy


I really wish there were smarter guys working TV who didn't spent half their time repeating the same old tropes/cliches, and the other half kissing ass in preparation for their next round of job interviews.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 1 @ 3:02 PM ET
Coburn with a hard accurate shot
- Marc D

Hold on... I cant see that. Let me put my orange tinted glasses on.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 3:03 PM ET
The Isles dont have a great D-Core. Idk if you noticed.... They are playing like a team. Thats the big difference with them this season. Boychuk is a 3 or 4 defensmen on a team with GOOD defensemen.
- GOA88


Lubomir Visnovsky is a good defenseman. Travis Hamonic is a good defenseman. Nick Leddy is a good defenseman. Johnny Boychuk is a good defenseman. You might not have noticed, but the Isles have a very solid defense corps.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 3:03 PM ET
He does. And he's right. Andrew MacDonald has the 28th highest cap hit in the NHL among defensemen. He's been playing poorly and was a healthy scratch against a divisional rival in a big game.

That says more than Ferraro did.

- Jsaquella


I don't know what flattering thing anyone can say about the Flyers right now outside of jake G and Mason. I think people here forget what it's like to have a defenseman who can deliver a breakout pass without hammering it up the boards
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Dec 1 @ 3:03 PM ET
Wow. DellAbate is in between Berube, and Apes in the evolution chart.
- PLindbergh31


i think he's gotten better looking with age.

nice avatar.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 1 @ 3:04 PM ET
Which one of Holmgren's albatrosses will come up on the old Wheel o healthy scratch tomorrow night?

1. Ronald MacDonald
2. Luke Sloth
3. Vinny Lecadavier.

Is their a coffin in the press box with RJ's name on it?

Exciting times, lots to look forward to. Tune in tomorrow night.

- PLindbergh31


No, the coffin is located in the Flyers' dressing room.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 1 @ 3:04 PM ET
Hamonic Boychuk Leddy are all pretty solid
Vis is good too

In a weak metro their D is fine

- Marc D

Solid? I can go with that. But they dont have any game changers, they dont even have what most would consider a #2 defensemen.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 1 @ 3:04 PM ET
Trade for Anthony DeAngelo
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 3:05 PM ET
He's also on a team where there's 3 or 4 guys who would be the Flyers top D man
- Jsaquella

Yeah. He and Leddy are being put in great positions to succeed but they are being very successful. I like Coburn but he's inconsistent and doesn't have the offensive ability of Boychuk
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Dec 1 @ 3:06 PM ET
Lubomir Visnovsky is a good defenseman. Travis Hamonic is a good defenseman. Nick Leddy is a good defenseman. Johnny Boychuk is a good defenseman. You might not have noticed, but the Isles have a very solid defense corps.
- Jsaquella

Clearly your opinion. They are all #3 or 4 D-men. They are playing like the Flyers D-men should be. I dont see any real difference in talent.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 1 @ 3:06 PM ET
I don't know what flattering thing anyone can say about the Flyers right now outside of jake G and Mason. I think people here forget what it's like to have a defenseman who can deliver a breakout pass without hammering it up the boards
- PhillySportsGuy

When I was being pitied at the Red Wings game, Voracek and Simmonds came up a lot as players they'd like to have. None of them were even aware that Voracek was second in points in the league. They just know him very well from his days with the Jackets.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 3:06 PM ET
The Isles dont have a great D-Core. Idk if you noticed.... They are playing like a team. Thats the big difference with them this season. Boychuk is a 3 or 4 defensmen on a team with GOOD defensemen.
- GOA88


It's all heart and hustle. That's all you need to win. Skill optional
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Dec 1 @ 3:07 PM ET
There is really only one feasible way to get us out of this mess....

We need this top d-man!
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