Actually, you do have a history of instigating these arguments and calling out other posters. We all do it. First it was the Bennett lovers, like me because he couldn't do a pull up, like that matters..and then we learn months later is is because he had significant shoulder issues requiring surgery. No one bashed back on that, now it is unrelenteless Myers talk. Most of the so called Myers-haters simply have a position of leaving an open mind about trading him and wishing a guy who is 6'7" / 230 also grow a pair and push his selfimposed boundaries and play more physical.
So, like most..we are sick of hearing how many minutes he plays like that singular stat is the be-all, end-all, defacto measuring stick for D-men.
Relax and stop instigating...you get 10 minutes for it, lol!
- IonSabres

All I said in the Bennett - Reinhart debate was I liked Reinhart . And stated my reason why I felt Reinhart would be the choice . Guess what I was right in my analysis why management chose him. Gill took it to the personal level and that has continued in his new found nastiness. And maybe Myers is not the player you want but maybe he does not have to be. Watch the kid playing . Instead of bashing him for what he is not . Appreciate what he is doing right . Watch him in the defensive zone . He is really good at his positioning and is actually directing traffic. And how he is learning to use his massive reach and how he is using it to neutralize other teams best players has been a thing of beauty . You may want him to be more physical . But perhaps he does not have to be . And he is still very effective . He had injuries earlier in his career trying to be the beast . He is not having as many injury issues now.
Nolan has let him play the game he is most comfortable with . And the results are great . Why should he change that for a bunch of posters on a forum that think they know better . Lots of great defense men in NHL history were not physical but smart.
As far as eating minutes . That is the first stat you see about great defense men in the league . It is commonly talked about how many minutes Shea Webber has played or Mr Suter in Minnesota . It is a measuring stick for good defense men . That is why I track how minute Myers logs and his results . To appreciate how Myers game is evolving try and watch him away from the puck. Folks need to accept Myers for what he is and how well he is coming around . Not look for what he is not.

Just leave my name out of your post's

So, earlier in the year, some members were very negative on Coach Theodore...but recently, I haven't heard a peep from any. couldit be that Nolan was spot on in his assessment...that it takes time for a new group of players to gel and become a team, buyin and play a system taught to them by said Coach and his Assistants. Sure, some players have stepped their collective game up...yet that too can be attibuted to a Coach finding the right combination from a number of new players.
Interesting.
- IonSabres

He (frank)ed up with Flynn to start the season

Not sure if it was getting Sam the minutes before he got sent down or what, but Flynn could play 3rd line on a cup team, he is that good

It's tough to predict where they will end up but Edmonton and Columbus are pretty bad atm. The Jax have alot of injuries.

Sabres next 5 games

Tampa Bay
@Tampa Bay
@Florida
Los Angeles
Calgary

I say they go 2-3.
- mhp

39 on the front 9 today, par 35

I have too much work to do before the game to play 18

http://espn.go.com/nhl/st...onice/position/defensemen

All I said in the Bennett - Reinhart debate was I liked Reinhart . And stated my reason why I felt Reinhart would be the choice . Guess what I was right in my analysis why management chose him. Gill took it to the personal level and that has continued in his new found nastiness. And maybe Myers is not the player you want but maybe he does not have to be. Watch the kid playing . Instead of bashing him for what he is not . Appreciate what he is doing right . Watch him in the defensive zone . He is really good at his positioning and is actually directing traffic. And how he is learning to use his massive reach and how he is using it to neutralize other teams best players has been a thing of beauty . You may want him to be more physical . But perhaps he does not have to be . And he is still very effective . He had injuries earlier in his career trying to be the beast . He is not having as many injury issues now.
Nolan has let him play the game he is most comfortable with . And the results are great . Why should he change that for a bunch of posters on a forum that think they know better . Lots of great defense men in NHL history were not physical but smart.
As far as eating minutes . That is the first stat you see about great defense men in the league . It is commonly talked about how many minutes Shea Webber has played or Mr Suter in Minnesota . It is a measuring stick for good defense men . That is why I track how minute Myers logs and his results . To appreciate how Myers game is evolving try and watch him away from the puck. Folks need to accept Myers for what he is and how well he is coming around . Not look for what he is not.
- Maximum Signal

Brian Campbell and Ehrhoff are/were always close to the top when it came to eating minutes. I wouldn't consider them great defensemen.

All I said in the Bennett - Reinhart debate was I liked Reinhart . And stated my reason why I felt Reinhart would be the choice . Guess what I was right in my analysis why management chose him. Gill took it to the personal level and that has continued in his new found nastiness. And maybe Myers is not the player you want but maybe he does not have to be. Watch the kid playing . Instead of bashing him for what he is not . Appreciate what he is doing right . Watch him in the defensive zone . He is really good at his positioning and is actually directing traffic. And how he is learning to use his massive reach and how he is using it to neutralize other teams best players has been a thing of beauty . You may want him to be more physical . But perhaps he does not have to be . And he is still very effective . He had injuries earlier in his career truing to be the beast . He is not having as many injury issues now.
Nolan has let him play the game he is most comfortable with . And the results are great . Why should he change that for a bunch of posters on a forum that think they know better . Lots of great defense men in NHL history were not physical but smart.
As far as eating minutes . That is the first stat you see about great defense men in the league . It is commonly talked about how many minutes Shea Webber has played or Mr Suter in Minnesota . It is a measuring stick for good defense men . That is why I track how minute Myers logs and his results . To appreciate how Myers game is evolving try and watch him away from the puck. Folks need to accept Myers for what he is and how well he is coming around . Not look for what he is not.
- Maximum Signal

I get it. He is what he is...like Bill Hajt (sp.) was back in the day.
At 6'7" and 230 though with his current style of play .. He is leaving a significant attribute off the table .
I would love for him to be punishing guys coming down his side...not because I want them get hurt...or would like to see him manhandle players (legally) in front of the net...not because I want them to get hurt. It is called intimidation, which is very powerful. Fear. Imagine players deliberately going away from Myers side for fear of what he will do to them...that solves 50% of the defensive zone. Not everyone will be intimidated, but if you get fear into the minds of skilled players...they are thinking of something else then aren't they. It changes the game considerably.
Why wouldnt anyone want that from their biggest player...why wouldn't any good defenseman realize it and use it to become GREAT...a game changer!
Gook, ok , yes. Could be great by using what God gave him. That is what I believe others are saying when we go down that path.
Does Myers have to do it ... Nope. Should he, absolutely..IMO.

He (frank)ed up with Flynn to start the season

Not sure if it was getting Sam the minutes before he got sent down or what, but Flynn could play 3rd line on a cup team, he is that good
- homiedclown

Agreed . I think he was a victim of the numbers game . With everyone insisting Reinhart had to be here because he was the number 2 pick whether he was ready or not .
Flynn could even play some effective 2nd line minutes with the offensive skills he is showing.

I get it. He is what he is...like Bill Hajt (sp.) was back in the day.
At 6'7" and 230 though with his current style of play .. He is leaving a significant attribute off the table .
I would love for him to be punishing guys coming down his side...not because I want them get hurt...or would like to see him manhandle players (legally) in front of the net...not because I want them to get hurt. It is called intimidation, which is very powerful. Fear. Imagine players deliberately going away from Myers side for fear of what he will do to them...that solves 50% of the defensive zone. Not everyone will be intimidated, but if you get fear into the minds of skilled players...they are thinking of something else then aren't they. It changes the game considerably.
Why wouldnt anyone want that from their biggest player...why wouldn't any good defenseman realize it and use it to become GREAT...a game changer!
Gook, ok , yes. Could be great by using what God gave him. That is what I believe others are saying when we go down that path.
Does Myers have to do it ... Nope. Should he, absolutely..IMO.
- IonSabres

Problem with all that is he has seemed to be a target of referees just because of his size when he played that way. Even when he was in the right . Also all the stupid little injuries he was getting . Maybe that has something to do with his style now . He is still growing into the body perhaps he will get tougher . But he also needs to start getting the type of non calls Chara gets to adapt that style full time.

He (frank)ed up with Flynn to start the season

Not sure if it was getting Sam the minutes before he got sent down or what, but Flynn could play 3rd line on a cup team, he is that good
- homiedclown

You and I loved the signing at the time.

IMO he is the perfect 3rd liner on a competitive team. He's a 40 pt player all day long. Always in the right place at the right time and rarely makes the wrong play.

Brian Campbell and Ehrhoff are/were always close to the top when it came to eating minutes. I wouldn't consider them great defensemen.
- dadeadhead

You and I loved the signing at the time.

IMO he is the perfect 3rd liner on a competitive team. He's a 40 pt player all day long. Always in the right place at the right time and rarely makes the wrong play.
- dadeadhead

4 points in the last 6 games

team won 5 of 6

people do not want to hear this, but the sabres have played as well as any other team in the league over the last 6 games

and enroth is an ahl goalie

Bo Horvat gets 3 points in a nucks 4-1 over the hawks, with 15 minutes of ice time

coach rewards him with 9 minutes and 10 minutes in the next 2 games

pathetic

I get it. He is what he is...like Bill Hajt (sp.) was back in the day.
At 6'7" and 230 though with his current style of play .. He is leaving a significant attribute off the table .
I would love for him to be punishing guys coming down his side...not because I want them get hurt...or would like to see him manhandle players (legally) in front of the net...not because I want them to get hurt. It is called intimidation, which is very powerful. Fear. Imagine players deliberately going away from Myers side for fear of what he will do to them...that solves 50% of the defensive zone. Not everyone will be intimidated, but if you get fear into the minds of skilled players...they are thinking of something else then aren't they. It changes the game considerably.
Why wouldnt anyone want that from their biggest player...why wouldn't any good defenseman realize it and use it to become GREAT...a game changer!
Gook, ok , yes. Could be great by using what God gave him. That is what I believe others are saying when we go down that path.
Does Myers have to do it ... Nope. Should he, absolutely..IMO.
- IonSabres

Just a great post here, very fair! Nice job Ion

Bo Horvat gets 3 points in a nucks 4-1 over the hawks, with 15 minutes of ice time

coach rewards him with 9 minutes and 10 minutes in the next 2 games

pathetic
- homiedclown

He's only avg 9:35 a game.

Brian Campbell and Ehrhoff are/were always close to the top when it came to eating minutes. I wouldn't consider them great defensemen.
- dadeadhead

But they were #1 defense men . That is a criteria for number 1 defense men . To eat minutes.

https://allstarvote.nhl.com/fr-ca/LeaderBoard

Don't look now, but Z is number one overall. Those crazy Latvians

Bo Horvat gets 3 points in a nucks 4-1 over the hawks, with 15 minutes of ice time

coach rewards him with 9 minutes and 10 minutes in the next 2 games

pathetic
- homiedclown

it's miller's fault

But they were #1 defense men . That is a criteria for number 1 defense men . To eat minutes.
- Maximum Signal

Josi, Yandle, Brodie, Goligoski, and Markov are all up there in minutes.

We all know who their teams #1 are and they're not it.

Josi, Yandle, Brodie, Goligoski, and Markov are all up there in minutes.

We all know who their teams #1 are and they're not it.
- dadeadhead

A serious question: why wouldn't you play your clear number 1 the most minutes? The number plays first PP and first PK, I'd think.

It's tough to predict where they will end up but Edmonton and Columbus are pretty bad atm. The Jax have alot of injuries.

Sabres next 5 games

Tampa Bay
@Tampa Bay
@Florida
Los Angeles
Calgary

I say they go 2-3.
- mhp

I say 1-3-1

A serious question: why wouldn't you play your clear number 1 the most minutes? The number plays first PP and first PK, I'd think.
- kingcong39

There are 7 guys in the top 30 for minutes played that are not their teams #1 defenseman.


Hell you don't see a Boston player till number 53 and it isn't Chara.

There are 7 guys in the top 30 for minutes played that are not their teams #1 defenseman.


Hell you don't see a Boston player till number 53 and it isn't Chara.
- dadeadhead

He's been out how long with an injury?

My question remains. Do coaches try and give the number 1 a break to hope they're even more impactful during crunch time in games and towards the end of the season? Or are some number 1's just not the best on their given team when it comes to stamina? I'm curious as to the thought process.

There are 7 guys in the top 30 for minutes played that are not their teams #1 defenseman.


Hell you don't see a Boston player till number 53 and it isn't Chara.
- dadeadhead

That's because they are paired with the number #1s

Josi-Weber
OEL-Yandle
Daley-Gogo
Markov-Subban

He's only avg 9:35 a game.
- dadeadhead

yeah I saw that and wondered if ruff was coaching the nucks

why play a kid in the nhl if your only going to give him 10 minutes a game, makes no sense