Thanks. I'd be lying if I said I had much of a sense for his game, so I appreciate the scouting report. Feds was a solid player, responsible with some grit, the only thing I remember that would be maddening was his tendency to seemingly disappear for stretches of games, then look like a world beater a week later.
- Emperor Filonius

This is true of Tlusty as well. He'll score you a whole bunch at once, and then you'll hardly know he's there the rest of the time.

Couldn't tell you if he steps up in the playoffs or not. He certainly did in Junior, but he's never seen them at the NHL level.

This is true of Tlusty as well. He'll score you a whole bunch at once, and then you'll hardly know he's there the rest of the time.

Couldn't tell you if he steps up in the playoffs or not. He certainly did in Junior, but he's never seen them at the NHL level.
- BINGO!

That's a good point. And Feds was a solid playoff performer for sure.

This is true of Tlusty as well. He'll score you a whole bunch at once, and then you'll hardly know he's there the rest of the time.

Couldn't tell you if he steps up in the playoffs or not. He certainly did in Junior, but he's never seen them at the NHL level.
- BINGO!

Not too different from Jokinen then.

Look who wants to be on Sid's wing...

Guys like Tlusty are a dime a dozen from the stats department advanced or otherwise. The questions to be asked are does he bring other intangibles to the table that add value? Is he a hard worker or does he float? Will he be a good presence in the room? Does he bring any grit? Is he defensively responsible? Hopefully he's got more Blake Comeau in him than Chuck Kobasew.

It's interesting I keep seeing some of you guys talking about using Sutter as a piece to a trade. If I'm the Pens, I don't consider trading him. They are thing at forward and trading him downgrades the 3rd line while upgrading the top 6. While I like Marcel Goc, I don't think he's a like kind replacement for Sutter at this point. Trade from strength, which means youngu defensemen. Leave Sutter where he's at.
- Emperor Filonius

That's how I feel too. They would still be thin at forward. To me it would be spinning their wheels if they deal Sutter. If they trade then they need to trade from a point of strength, which you mentioned, and that is their young depth at defense.

That's how I feel too. They would still be thin at forward. To me it would be spinning their wheels if they deal Sutter. If they trade then they need to trade from a point of strength which is their young depth at defense.
- acdc1206

So we have to say goodbye to a guy like Perron. We should look elsewhere for a top 6 forward. We certainly won't be able to get a better winger than Perron by only trading D prospects though.

Between cap space and assets to move out, I really can't see the Penguins sinking 7 mil and a the required trade pieces into both Tlusty and Perron.

I'd say it's either/or, with Tlusty being the much more probable guy to land.

Though I have to say, the idea of GMJR trading Dumoulin to the Penguins from Carolina, and then trading him back to Carolina from the Penguins seems a little strange.

Tlusty for Blueger, Samuelsson, and a mid round pick.

So we have to say goodbye to a guy like Perron. We should look elsewhere for a top 6 forward. We certainly won't be able to get a better winger than Perron by only trading D prospects though.
- Barnaby36

I just can't see the Penguins put together the best deal available for Perron, not with Sutter not going anywhere.

Not too different from Jokinen then.
- usethe1-2-2

In their style they're very different. Tlusty is a much more north-south style player, and much more physical.

However, I'd say that while Jokinen is not as good on the defensive side of the puck, his offensive skill-set is much more dynamic. Plus he has the ability to play all three forward positions.

Not sure one is more valuable than the other. If I wanted a more defensively responsible 2nd/3rd liner that can put up some alright numbers, it's Tlusty. If I'm trying to catch lightning in a bottle and spark some offensive production from those lines, I'd take Jokinen.

That's how I feel too. They would still be thin at forward. To me it would be spinning their wheels if they deal Sutter. If they trade then they need to trade from a point of strength, which you mentioned, and that is their young depth at defense.
- acdc1206

You don't get to choose the position of need the other team wants. You aren't finding an internal top six winger solution. You are also not going to find another guy like Perron who comes at a reasonable cap hit with term left that are on the market. If Sutter is the price, who cares, the dropoff from Sutter to Goc is miniscule when compared to the gain Perron brings to the status quo. It isn't spinning wheels, it is finding depth at a position that they can't do from within their own system.

The same argument made for Sutter last year can be applied to Goc, get him some better linemates and you'll notice him more. Spaling can play 4C where he belongs.

Trading Sutter is trading from a position of strength. You have an internal third line center who is more than capable of the role and Sutter's perceived value ain't getting any higher.

I just can't wrap my head around the desire to keep Sutter around if it meant not getting a guy like Perron.

Between cap space and assets to move out, I really can't see the Penguins sinking 7 mil and a the required trade pieces into both Tlusty and Perron.

I'd say it's either/or, with Tlusty being the much more probable guy to land.

Though I have to say, the idea of GMJR trading Dumoulin to the Penguins from Carolina, and then trading him back to Carolina from the Penguins seems a little strange.

Tlusty for Blueger, Samuelsson, and a mid round pick.
- hardnosed

I'd be okay with this.


I wonder if Dumoulin wasn't a Ron Francis pick. Personally I'm not sure the Canes require yet another young defenseman.

With Faulk, Ryan Murphy and Haydn Fleury, there isn't really another spot for a young, borderline NHL d-man at this point.

I'd be okay with this.


I wonder if Dumoulin wasn't a Ron Francis pick. Personally I'm not sure the Canes require yet another young defenseman.

With Faulk, Ryan Murphy and Haydn Fleury, there isn't really another spot for a young, borderline NHL d-man at this point.
- BINGO!

That also added into my thinking on not including Dumoulin. Like I keep telling people around here, outside of Pouliot, the Penguins' D prospects aren't that special as a group or individually.

Blueger is a really good talent who the Penguins just can't wait for, whereas Carolina can. Makes sense for both teams.

And Ronnie can do Ulfie a solid by getting Samuelsson out of a logjam.

Why do people want to split Kuni and Sid up? I think the first line will end up being:

Kunitz - Crosby - Hornqvist
- Pens8729

I think Hornqvist and Kunitz' game are too similar and are more productive apart. Hornqvist has shown much more promise with Crosby than Malkin, whereas Kunitz has shown he can compliment Malkin.

The last two weeks were very good for the Pens, they played seven games against teams they could very well play in the playoffs and went 5-1-1. Four on the road. The Islanders were the only team to beat them and did expose some weaknesses but all in all a good stretch.

Sutter's going nowhere. The Penguins lost last year because of a lack of bottom 6 scoring. Sutter is helping solve that problem right now, no reason to go back to a top heavy model when it's already been tried and failed.

And if Sutter were traded, there'd be less need. No reason to play Bennett with Goc on a third line, just not enough talent to make use of Bennett's abilities.

I mean, Goc is a guy who has scored double digit goals in only 2 of his 10 seasons in the league. That's one more than Adams. He's belongs on the 4th line.

That also added into my thinking on not including Dumoulin. Like I keep telling people around here, outside of Pouliot, the Penguins' D prospects aren't that special as a group or individually.

Blueger is a really good talent who the Penguins just can't wait for, whereas Carolina can. Makes sense for both teams.

And Ronnie can do Ulfie a solid by getting Samuelsson out of a logjam.
- hardnosed

We've got kind of a logjam at borderline-NHL forwards right now too, but I don't think there'd be much hesitation at all if JR called Ronnie Franchise today and offered him that.

Trade sutter for Perron, and then swing a deal for fleischman from the panthers. He seems very overlooked and could play virtually any position in the top 9.

We're talking about making trades, but guys like Perron, tlusty, fleischman, etc... Wouldn't cost a pouliot or Harrington. Dumoulin and a mid pick could land tlusty or fleischman and IMO Perron is not worth sutter alone. I'm still saying scuderi can be traded this year

In their style they're very different. Tlusty is a much more north-south style player, and much more physical.

However, I'd say that while Jokinen is not as good on the defensive side of the puck, his offensive skill-set is much more dynamic. Plus he has the ability to play all three forward positions.

Not sure one is more valuable than the other. If I wanted a more defensively responsible 2nd/3rd liner that can put up some alright numbers, it's Tlusty. If I'm trying to catch lightning in a bottle and spark some offensive production from those lines, I'd take Jokinen.
- BINGO!

Sorry, I only meant in reference towards their streaking goal scoring.
Although the more you speak of his all around game the more it sounds like he would be a big get for a contending team.

Sutter's going nowhere. The Penguins lost last year because of a lack of bottom 6 scoring. Sutter is helping solve that problem right now, no reason to go back to a top heavy model when it's already been tried and failed.

And if Sutter were traded, there'd be less need. No reason to play Bennett with Goc on a third line, just not enough talent to make use of Bennett's abilities.

I mean, Goc is a guy who has scored double digit goals in only 2 of his 10 seasons in the league. That's one more than Adams. He's belongs on the 4th line.
- hardnosed

Wrong. A lack of scoring from every line. Our stars couldn't put the puck in the net either. I do believe Perron and Tlusty would give us better results than just keeping Sutter. We'd have to find a way to unload Scuderi though.

Sutter's going nowhere. The Penguins lost last year because of a lack of bottom 6 scoring. Sutter is helping solve that problem right now, no reason to go back to a top heavy model when it's already been tried and failed.

And if Sutter were traded, there'd be less need. No reason to play Bennett with Goc on a third line, just not enough talent to make use of Bennett's abilities.

I mean, Goc is a guy who has scored double digit goals in only 2 of his 10 seasons in the league. That's one more than Adams. He's belongs on the 4th line.
- hardnosed

Ding ding ding. perfect. Having Sutter on the 3rd line brings you a more balanced attack. I'm in agreement that Goc doesn't fill his shoes. He's just not as dynamic of a player. Part of the top 6 issue can be solved by elevating Bennett to Sids line if he ever gets healthy. You can then bring in a 3rd line guy to fill in that hole if you move him up, and getting a 3rd line player for a mid tier D prospect is more likely. I agree with RW that to get you have to give, and I'd trade Pouliot for a long term fix in the top 6. It's obvious they are committed to Maata And Letang, so I'm not sure where another offensive defenseman fits here. Make a trade and get good return.

Trade sutter for Perron, and then swing a deal for fleischman from the panthers. He seems very overlooked and could play virtually any position in the top 9.

We're talking about making trades, but guys like Perron, tlusty, fleischman, etc... Wouldn't cost a pouliot or Harrington. Dumoulin and a mid pick could land tlusty or fleischman and IMO Perron is not worth sutter alone. I'm still saying scuderi can be traded this year
- drummer829

Scuds must be traded if we want to add a couple Top 6 wingers. I was high on Fleischmann but his numbers have been terrible. He was demoted to the fourth line and it must say something. I don't know.

But anyway, Perron would cost a lot more than other options out there like Stafford, Stewart, Fleischmann or N.Foligno.

Ding ding ding. perfect. Having Sutter on the 3rd line brings you a more balanced attack. I'm in agreement that Goc doesn't fill his shoes. He's just not as dynamic of a player. Part of the top 6 issue can be solved by elevating Bennett to Sids line if he ever gets healthy. You can then bring in a 3rd line guy to fill in that hole if you move him up, and getting a 3rd line player for a mid tier D prospect is more likely. I agree with RW that to get you have to give, and I'd trade Pouliot for a long term fix in the top 6. It's obvious they are committed to Maata And Letang, so I'm not sure where another offensive defenseman fits here. Make a trade and get good return.
- Emperor Filonius

I sure hope they commit to Despres and Ehrhoff as well. I wouldn't trade them.

Scuds must be traded if we want to add a couple Top 6 wingers. I was high on Fleischmann but his numbers have been terrible. He was demoted to the fourth line and it must say something. I don't know.

But anyway, Perron would cost a lot more than other options out there like Stafford, Stewart, Fleischmann or N.Foligno.
- Barnaby36

I'd take a flyer on Fleischman or Stafford. Ay idea what kind of return Buff wants for Stafford? He strikes me as the kind of guy that could really benefit from a change of scenery and be a nice top 6 fit.

I sure hope they commit to Despres and Ehrhoff as well. I wouldn't trade them.
- Barnaby36

Despres has been solid. I think Erhoff will show more as the season moves along too.

Scuds must be traded if we want to add a couple Top 6 wingers. I was high on Fleischmann but his numbers have been terrible. He was demoted to the fourth line and it must say something. I don't know.

But anyway, Perron would cost a lot more than other options out there like Stafford, Stewart, Fleischmann or N.Foligno.
- Barnaby36

Fleischman was demoted because they want their kids to play more (bjugstad, Barkov, etc...). He plays a good 2 way game still and would be a great pickup for depth. The only problem is his cap hit. According to a panthers writer, they were looking to dump guys like fleischman and bergenheim to make room for the kids. I'd bet that the panthers would be willing to retain some cap too

I sure hope they commit to Despres and Ehrhoff as well. I wouldn't trade them.
- Barnaby36

a top 4 of letang, maatta, ehrhoff, and despres could be very, very workable.

i love what i hear about pouliot, but i wouldnt be opposed to moving him if it brought in a young, established solution in the top 6.

im not a big IF guy, but imagine if the pens had gotten forsberg instead of pouliot.