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SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:02 PM ET
Did Akeson get a single shift this season with Couts and Read?

If not, shame on Berube.

I know Akeson was bad this season but he did show some chemistry last year with that line.

Also not using him on the 2nd PP was a fail.

- Marc D


Yes and No.

Akeson was used last season to replace Steve Downie's role. He was pretty good but I feel it overrated Akeson a lot. I'm all for trying Akeson again where he's had success but his PP time has to be earned. My issue is how long he's been out of the line up and they choose to waive him now. What was Hextall waiting for?
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Nov 27 @ 1:05 PM ET
I dont win anything, we are all suffering.

I drown my sorrow in the lowest level minor league affiliate which has been a bit better, but not much
(*^(*&%&^% shootouts at all levels

- Steelmanpa



Agreed!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 27 @ 1:06 PM ET
Yes and No.

Akeson was used last season to replace Steve Downie's role. He was pretty good but I feel it overrated Akeson a lot. I'm all for trying Akeson again where he's had success but his PP time has to be earned. My issue is how long he's been out of the line up and they choose to waive him now. What was Hextall waiting for?

- SuperSchennBros


Raffl to get back from his injury
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:06 PM ET
Tim Panaccio
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Hextall and Berube railed about lack of consistency among certain players and the team; Hextall says he wont make a trade for sake of that

- opeth_pa


Why not? His head coach has done all he could to keep a player out of the line up the past number of weeks and we're just now waiving him. I think Hextall too slow to make the moves nessassary.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:09 PM ET
Raffl to get back from his injury
- Jsaquella

Raffl hasn't stopped Berube from producing a 20 man roster. They could have played Akeson over Luke Schenn at anytime.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 27 @ 1:10 PM ET
Raffl hasn't stopped Berube from producing a 20 man roster. They could have played Akeson over Luke Schenn at anytime.
- SuperSchennBros


He was there in case of injury, not because he was going to play.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:15 PM ET
Actually, with LeCavalier you have to look back several years to the slash the leagues poster boy for criminal on ice thuggery Matt Cooke put on his arm/wrist as the start of things that downgraded his skills. Getting old and trying to play sucks, I played to about age 60. Imagine being toast as a pro at 32

I dont think this teams style of play and his linemates are the right place for the remainder of his abilities.

I think Umberger has issues and probably should have failed the physical.
We all would rather have the guy who was the PK specialist the last 2 years-Adam Hall at less than 1/4 the price

- Steelmanpa


I just feel trading Hartnell for Umberger didn't move negative than positive for this team. If you keep Hartnell, he continues to produce and ups his value to far more than we got in return. I'm saying this after the fact but I knew this at the time too. Hartnell had value.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:17 PM ET
He was there in case of injury, not because he was going to play.
- Jsaquella


Sure but Raffl returns, Vandevelde is out. It's virtually the same situation.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 27 @ 1:19 PM ET
Sure but Raffl returns, Vandevelde is out. It's virtually the same situation.
- SuperSchennBros


VandeVelde is back. He was only day to day, anyhow.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:22 PM ET
VandeVelde is back. He was only day to day, anyhow.
- Jsaquella

I really do not like Vandevelde. I'm hoping the Flyers are kicking tires on Nolan or Stewart. I'm within the camp that believes that we need a more physical team.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 27 @ 1:24 PM ET
I really do not like Vandevelde. I'm hoping the Flyers are kicking tires on Nolan or Stewart. I'm within the camp that believes that we need a more physical team.
- SuperSchennBros


They do need a more physical team. Not a fan of Stewart, definitely like Nolan. VandeVelde is a fringe guy.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:34 PM ET
They do need a more physical team. Not a fan of Stewart, definitely like Nolan. VandeVelde is a fringe guy.
- Jsaquella

I like Stewart, I think he can be a more offensive player on a more offensively talented team. Even if I'm wrong, I worry about the money he could make for doing what he's doing now.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 27 @ 1:36 PM ET
I like Stewart, I think he can be a more offensive player on a more offensively talented team. Even if I'm wrong, I worry about the money he could make for doing what he's doing now.
- SuperSchennBros


He's making $4.15mm that's too much for the Flyers to take on, unless they dump Vinny or Umberger.

He's had one 20 goal season and that was awhile ago
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 27 @ 1:37 PM ET
I just feel trading Hartnell for Umberger didn't move negative than positive for this team. If you keep Hartnell, he continues to produce and ups his value to far more than we got in return. I'm saying this after the fact but I knew this at the time too. Hartnell had value.
- SuperSchennBros


Yeah, I guess. Honestly, while I didn't expect a lot. I did expect that the least they would get a 3rd/4th line tweener who would put up 12-14 goals and 25-32 points for 2 seasons (I always figured they'd buy out the last year). To me, that was a better overall option than 5 years of an aging Hartnell at 4.75 million per.

However, since RJ Umberger has failed in even this most modest task, and instead has played like a total piece of (frank)ing poop each and every game this season, than yeah, it was a bad friggin trade.

However, even with Hartnell instead of the corpse, they are a bubble team at best. I'd rather that they out and out suck than be a bubble team, especially in this draft year. The way they are playing, they may well be looking at picking between 4-7 and that, at least, would be very nice.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 27 @ 1:39 PM ET
VandeVelde is back. He was only day to day, anyhow.
- Jsaquella


Well thank God for that, Velveeta is back.

Yay(TM, all rights reserved) Velveeta is back

Tidings of comfort and joy indeed
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:41 PM ET
He's making $4.15mm that's too much for the Flyers to take on, unless they dump Vinny or Umberger.

He's had one 20 goal season and that was awhile ago

- Jsaquella

To be fair it was a high 20 goal season and he's played for the Blues, Aves and Sabers who have lacked offense within those times.

If we can't get Stewart, I just don't want the Pens to get him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 27 @ 1:43 PM ET
To be fair it was a high 20 goal season and he's played for the Blues, Aves and Sabers who have lacked offense within those times.

If we can't get Stewart, I just don't want the Pens to get him.

- SuperSchennBros


They did lack offense. But they were counting on him to help provide it. He really didn't.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:44 PM ET
Yeah, I guess. Honestly, while I didn't expect a lot. I did expect that the least they would get a 3rd/4th line tweener who would put up 12-14 goals and 25-32 points for 2 seasons (I always figured they'd buy out the last year). To me, that was a better overall option than 5 years of an aging Hartnell at 4.75 million per.

However, since RJ Umberger has failed in even this most modest task, and instead has played like a total piece of (frank)ing poop each and every game this season, than yeah, it was a bad friggin trade.

However, even with Hartnell instead of the corpse, they are a bubble team at best. I'd rather that they out and out suck than be a bubble team, especially in this draft year. The way they are playing, they may well be looking at picking between 4-7 and that, at least, would be very nice.

- BiggE


I can live with throwing the season for a top five draft pick overall.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:46 PM ET
They did lack offense. But they were counting on him to help provide it. He really didn't.
- Jsaquella

I love Simmonds. I thought he was great last night but I don't think these types of guys in Hartnell, Stewart and Simmonds can lead an offense.

Just keep Stewart out of the hands of the Penguins!!!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 27 @ 1:47 PM ET
I love Simmonds. I thought he was great last night but I don't think these types of guys in Hartnell, Stewart and Simmonds can lead an offense.

Just keep Stewart out of the hands of the Penguins!!!

- SuperSchennBros


I think the Pens might grab Akeson and then we'll hear female doging for years
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:51 PM ET
I think the Pens might grab Akeson and then we'll hear female doging for years
- Jsaquella


I don't care.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 27 @ 1:52 PM ET
They did lack offense. But they were counting on him to help provide it. He really didn't.
- Jsaquella


Yeah, I want no part of Stewart, especially at that cap hit. I would like to see a vet with high price tag moved for pick(s) as well. I have no problem with a hockey trade that brings in young low cost talent either.

It'll have to be a dman, as none of the high $$$ vet forwards have any value. Move Coburn to a contender at the deadline, they will get at least a 1st, best case a 1st and either a 2nd and a good prospect, likely it'll be a 1st and either a 3rd in '16 or a 2nd tier prospect. Also move Grossmann at the deadline, some panicking GM will give you a 2nd and a 4th in 16 for him.

Go into the draft with a top 7 pick, a late 1st, a late 2nd, a3rd and 2 4ths and I'm feeling better
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 27 @ 1:57 PM ET
I don't care.
- SuperSchennBros


If he turns into a 15-20 goal scoring, effective 3rd line winger, we will care
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:58 PM ET
Yeah, I want no part of Stewart, especially at that cap hit. I would like to see a vet with high price tag moved for pick(s) as well. I have no problem with a hockey trade that brings in young low cost talent either.

It'll have to be a dman, as none of the high $$$ vet forwards have any value. Move Coburn to a contender at the deadline, they will get at least a 1st, best case a 1st and either a 2nd and a good prospect, likely it'll be a 1st and either a 3rd in '16 or a 2nd tier prospect. Also move Grossmann at the deadline, some panicking GM will give you a 2nd and a 4th in 16 for him.

Go into the draft with a top 7 pick, a late 1st, a late 2nd, a3rd and 2 4ths and I'm feeling better

- BiggE


I'd be shocked if we could get Coburn for a first but if some dimwitted GM is willing to do so, do it.

The season isn't over yet. We could make a deal that puts us over the top.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 27 @ 1:59 PM ET
If he turns into a 15-20 goal scoring, effective 3rd line winger, we will care
- Jsaquella


I don't think he will.
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