- SpoiledByOil

but stars have been funny and snarky with their jumbo tron stuff for a while now. I love how they razz the opposing team.

Eberle instead of Yak?

Do you think Yak will be better, or do you just think his value is probably too low right now?
- Aetherial

I think the Oilers over commited to building around this core. I Think there is a real fear to hold those players accountable. I'm not calling them Cancers but they traded or replaced everyone but those guys. Why not? Ebs is a talented player but is he truly engaged?

That's the worst part. We trade Ebs and he scores 55 or something stupid
- Oilfan19

That's dumb. What pisses you of more? Him not scoring 60 poinT's for Edmonton or him scoring 75 somewhere else?

What would it cost us to get Shattenkirk without giving up Perron?

Also, what would it cost to get Kuemper?
- EdmHockeyMan

that was yesterdays topic.

2006 - E. Staal, C. Stillman, R. Brind'Amour, D. Weight
2007 - A. McDonald, R. Getzlaf, R. Neidermayer (Pronger & S Neidermayer)
2008 - P. Datsyuk, H. Zetterberg, V. Filppula (Lidstrom)
2009 - S. Crosby, E. Malkin, J. Staal
2010 - J. Toews, D. Bolland, J. Madden (Kane, Keith, Hossa, Sharp)
2011 - P. Bergeron, D. Krejci, T. Seguin, G. Campbell (Tim Thomas)
2012 - A. Kopitar, J. Carter, M. Richards, J. Stoll (Quick)
2013 - see 2010
2014 - see 2012

1980's - Trottier, Sutter, Goring/Gretzky, Messier/Gilmour, Nieuwendyk
1990's - Lemieux, Francis/Yzerman, Federov/Sakic Forsberg

You can't win if you build a team around wingers!!!!!!!!! Ya you need them but Championship teams are built through the middle of the ice.
- LeftCoaster

neither Chicago nor Anaheim had any type of depth at centre...

So did the Hockey season started or still pre-season for the Oil?

that was yesterdays topic.
- ChetManly

Was at the game yesterday.

If it wasn't for that first goal, and if that shot late in the 3rd went in (Missed the line by like a hair), this game could have been a different situation.

TBH, I feel like the Oilers have every single thing they need to be decent, but they just can't connect the pieces together.

***Disclaimer: I will be talking about a trade involving Ryan O'Reilly (ROR) so i apologize in advance for attracting the Avalanche trolls (except you Coga, i heart you)***

The Avalanche are currently close to the cap (~$890K under) according to cap geek, and the only reason they are under is due to someone being on LTIR. I know that O'Reilly is extremely valuable but he will be a UFA at the same time Mackinnon will be looking for his big contract, which will make resigning ROR even more difficult.

In addition, the Avalanche wing depth chart could use an upgrade in my opinion on the 2/3rd lines (Tanguay, Talbot, Cliche, McGinn), an area where Edmonton has strong pieces. With MacKinnon being the future, and duchence still a stud, ROR is a luxury the Avs would likely be open to trading for the right price.

Is there a trade here with the Oilers?

I thought about Eberle for ROR straight up. It is equal on cap, probably pretty close on value depending on who you ask (Eberle has more skill, ROR is a center). The downside i see from Edmonton's end is that Eberle is signed until 2019, and ROR is a UFA in 2016. Those extra 3 years at a fairly decent cap hit for a 1RW is worth a lot in my opinion. Iqqy isn't a 1RW anymore, and certainly isn't the future. So if it were for Eberle i think there would have to be an extension with ROR negotiated beforehand, or some sort of sweetener.

But what about Perron+? Perron's cap hit would save the Avs ~$2.25M or more this year and next, and he's still an upgrade over their current 2/3 line wingers. Obviously the Oilers would need to add something of significance, say Marincin/Klefbom/couple 2nds. Does that get you close to a deal????

Edit: For the Oilers, if we don't resign ROR long term then he can be traded in 2016 before going UFA for some D help and Drai should be much closer to ready to be 2C at that point

Was at the game yesterday.

If it wasn't for that first goal, and if that shot late in the 3rd went in (Missed the line by like a hair), this game could have been a different situation.

TBH, I feel like the Oilers have every single thing they need to be decent, but they just can't connect the pieces together.
- EdmHockeyMan

so the game would have been different if Dallas had scored one fewer and Edmonton had scored one more?

***Disclaimer: I will be talking about a trade involving Ryan O'Reilly (ROR) so i apologize in advance for attracting the Avalanche trolls (except you Coga, i heart you)***

The Avalanche are currently close to the cap (~$890K under) according to cap geek, and the only reason they are under is due to someone being on LTIR. I know that O'Reilly is extremely valuable but he will be a UFA at the same time Mackinnon will be looking for his big contract, which will make resigning ROR even more difficult.

In addition, the Avalanche wing depth chart could use an upgrade in my opinion on the 2/3rd lines (Tanguay, Talbot, Cliche, McGinn), an area where Edmonton has strong pieces. With MacKinnon being the future, and duchence still a stud, ROR is a luxury the Avs would likely be open to trading for the right price.

Is there a trade here with the Oilers?

I thought about Eberle for ROR straight up. It is equal on cap, probably pretty close on value depending on who you ask (Eberle has more skill, ROR is a center). The downside i see from Edmonton's end is that Eberle is signed until 2019, and ROR is a UFA in 2016. Those extra 3 years at a fairly decent cap hit for a 1RW is worth a lot in my opinion. Iqqy isn't a 1RW anymore, and certainly isn't the future. So if it were for Eberle i think there would have to be an extension with ROR negotiated beforehand, or some sort of sweetener.

But what about Perron+? Perron's cap hit would save the Avs ~$2.25M or more this year and next, and he's still an upgrade over their current 2/3 line wingers. Obviously the Oilers would need to add something of significance, say Marincin/Klefbom/couple 2nds. Does that get you close to a deal????

Edit: For the Oilers, if we don't resign ROR long term then he can be traded in 2016 before going UFA for some D help and Drai should be much closer to ready to be 2C at that point
- massa_3

nothing but a pipe dream

***Disclaimer: I will be talking about a trade involving Ryan O'Reilly (ROR) so i apologize in advance for attracting the Avalanche trolls (except you Coga, i heart you)***

The Avalanche are currently close to the cap (~$890K under) according to cap geek, and the only reason they are under is due to someone being on LTIR. I know that O'Reilly is extremely valuable but he will be a UFA at the same time Mackinnon will be looking for his big contract, which will make resigning ROR even more difficult.

In addition, the Avalanche wing depth chart could use an upgrade in my opinion on the 2/3rd lines (Tanguay, Talbot, Cliche, McGinn), an area where Edmonton has strong pieces. With MacKinnon being the future, and duchence still a stud, ROR is a luxury the Avs would likely be open to trading for the right price.

Is there a trade here with the Oilers?

I thought about Eberle for ROR straight up. It is equal on cap, probably pretty close on value depending on who you ask (Eberle has more skill, ROR is a center). The downside i see from Edmonton's end is that Eberle is signed until 2019, and ROR is a UFA in 2016. Those extra 3 years at a fairly decent cap hit for a 1RW is worth a lot in my opinion. Iqqy isn't a 1RW anymore, and certainly isn't the future. So if it were for Eberle i think there would have to be an extension with ROR negotiated beforehand, or some sort of sweetener.

But what about Perron+? Perron's cap hit would save the Avs ~$2.25M or more this year and next, and he's still an upgrade over their current 2/3 line wingers. Obviously the Oilers would need to add something of significance, say Marincin/Klefbom/couple 2nds. Does that get you close to a deal????

Edit: For the Oilers, if we don't resign ROR long term then he can be traded in 2016 before going UFA for some D help and Drai should be much closer to ready to be 2C at that point
- massa_3

Perron + 2nd and only a second = O'Reilly

The reason why only a second is because we don't even know if O'Reilly is going to be a permament player for the Oilers.

Even all, I still think that this trade is quite risky for the Oilers.

Was at the game yesterday.

If it wasn't for that first goal, and if that shot late in the 3rd went in (Missed the line by like a hair), this game could have been a different situation.

TBH, I feel like the Oilers have every single thing they need to be decent, but they just can't connect the pieces together.
- EdmHockeyMan

No, we need a 1D, a 2C and quite possibly a 1C. There are glimmers of hope and promise, but they just can't see to do it. The worse is the slow starts and the crap goals that are allowed in each game.

so the game would have been different if Dallas had scored one fewer and Edmonton had scored one more?
- DoubleDown

In other words, another goalie malfunction cost the Oilers the game.

Oilers outshot Dallas, they outplayed Dallas, but Dallas cashed on every single opportunity they had whiel the Oilers jsut couldn't finish of their plays or some unlucky bounce happened.

so the game would have been different if Dallas had scored one fewer and Edmonton had scored one more?
- DoubleDown

sounds like a recipe for success

No, we need a 1D, a 2C and quite possibly a 1C. There are glimmers of hope and promise, but they just can't see to do it. The worse is the slow starts and the crap goals that are allowed in each game.
- ChetManly

Reread my post, I said to be decent, they have everything. I didn't say that they are elite yet. They have a couple spots that they need to consider before getting into that stage.

so the game would have been different if Dallas had scored one fewer and Edmonton had scored one more?
- DoubleDown

Oh great and intelligent man. Please share more of your knowledge as we do not know the many things you know.
- ChetManly

I thought maybe you could pass this along to K Lowe and MacT??

That's dumb. What pisses you of more? Him not scoring 60 poinT's for Edmonton or him scoring 75 somewhere else?
- Jeropotato

Everything pisses me off with this team

***Disclaimer: I will be talking about a trade involving Ryan O'Reilly (ROR) so i apologize in advance for attracting the Avalanche trolls (except you Coga, i heart you)***

The Avalanche are currently close to the cap (~$890K under) according to cap geek, and the only reason they are under is due to someone being on LTIR. I know that O'Reilly is extremely valuable but he will be a UFA at the same time Mackinnon will be looking for his big contract, which will make resigning ROR even more difficult.

In addition, the Avalanche wing depth chart could use an upgrade in my opinion on the 2/3rd lines (Tanguay, Talbot, Cliche, McGinn), an area where Edmonton has strong pieces. With MacKinnon being the future, and duchence still a stud, ROR is a luxury the Avs would likely be open to trading for the right price.

Is there a trade here with the Oilers?

I thought about Eberle for ROR straight up. It is equal on cap, probably pretty close on value depending on who you ask (Eberle has more skill, ROR is a center). The downside i see from Edmonton's end is that Eberle is signed until 2019, and ROR is a UFA in 2016. Those extra 3 years at a fairly decent cap hit for a 1RW is worth a lot in my opinion. Iqqy isn't a 1RW anymore, and certainly isn't the future. So if it were for Eberle i think there would have to be an extension with ROR negotiated beforehand, or some sort of sweetener.

But what about Perron+? Perron's cap hit would save the Avs ~$2.25M or more this year and next, and he's still an upgrade over their current 2/3 line wingers. Obviously the Oilers would need to add something of significance, say Marincin/Klefbom/couple 2nds. Does that get you close to a deal????

Edit: For the Oilers, if we don't resign ROR long term then he can be traded in 2016 before going UFA for some D help and Drai should be much closer to ready to be 2C at that point
- massa_3

I don't think the Avalanche do Eberle for RoR ... and what is the point, they would still have almost the same cap issue no?

I would guess that if the Avs trade RoR it will be for young, inexpensive D that can grow with the team.

but stars have been funny and snarky with their jumbo tron stuff for a while now. I love how they razz the opposing team.


- DDM-Coga

Perron + 2nd and only a second = O'Reilly

The reason why only a second is because we don't even know if O'Reilly is going to be a permament player for the Oilers.

Even all, I still think that this trade is quite risky for the Oilers.
- EdmHockeyMan

I don't think it works for either team. Talent-wise Avalanche aren't getting enough and the Oilers could only do it if they knew they could sign RoR long term.

neither Chicago nor Anaheim had any type of depth at centre...
- DoubleDown

Chicago I'll give you, although they had/have the second best center in the world in Toews. As far as Anaheim, you're seriously underestimating how good Andy McDonald, Ryan Getzlaf & Rob Niedermayer were during that 2007 Cup!! Of course, having Pronger and Scott Niedermayer surely helps.

I don't think it works for either team. Talent-wise Avalanche aren't getting enough and the Oilers could only do it if they knew they could sign RoR long term.
- Aetherial

Yup

The Flames are even ahead of us (by two spots) in this graphic
- BigDre

No we are third....get it....Antifreeze....Flames..... OHHHHH YAAAAAAAA

Reread my post, I said to be decent, they have everything. I didn't say that they are elite yet. They have a couple spots that they need to consider before getting into that stage.
- EdmHockeyMan

Ahh. i missed the "decent" part of the post. my bad.