Sounds pretty accurate to the other articles I read. MacLeod is basically a McIlrath. Masin is a bottom pairing defenseman that's very vanilla.
- rangerdanger94

I'll take this back end in four years time.
Hedman Deangelo=offense, offense, offense
Keokkeok Stralman=smart two way guys
Masin Gudas=the Czech-ing line

If the roles were reversed do you think you guys would be upset?
- Cptmjl

Speaking for myself only, I would be upset, there is no doubt about that. For me, the closest thing that I have experienced for this was Mark Messier bolting as a free agent in the late 1990s, which felt like a bit of a betrayal to me (given his stature in New York). That being said, there were all kinds of issues involved with Rangers' ownership/management at that time (i.e., the feeling of disrespect), which also played a role in the St. Louis departure from Tampa (whether he was justified or not).

At the end of the day, with the passage of time, I think people starting too recognize the contributions of players while they played in the club's uniforms, and ultimately forgive. Maybe people's feeling are a little raw right now, but I think ultimately that will change. I think the best thing that the Tampa fans could do tonight, is be the bigger person(s) about it and cheer the guy for what he's done. Now, obviously that is each individual's personal prerogative, but that would be the way I would go (realizing the other side of this).

I'll take this back end in four years time.
Hedman Deangelo=offense, offense, offense
Keokkeok Stralman=smart two way guys
Masin Gudas=the Czech-ing line
- Artyukhin76

Looks pretty solid on paper. Chances of all those prospects actually panning out are usually slim but Yzerman has a good track record of developing youth both patiently and the right way.

Well if it truly is yzerman I doubt he publicly outs him that would only lead to more criticism. Probably multiple reasons(family, Olympics snub, other)none of which really matters at this point. Trade certainly hasn't made you guys lose a step but I get the negativity surrounding how he left. Things must have gotten real volatile with him and Stevie Y after the olympics IMO. Only way i can explain him not at the very least finishing the season.
- Cptmjl

A bit off topic, but I think a General Manager of a NHL team also GMing their national team in the Olympics is a conflict of interest. Bad things can happen if you play that duel role, and I think they happened in Tampa's case. As an owner of a team, I would never want any bad blood stemming from any national team decisions to effect my team in anyway.

A bit off topic, but I think a General Manager of a NHL team also GMing their national team in the Olympics is a conflict of interest. Bad things can happen if you play that duel role, and I think they happened in Tampa's case. As an owner of a team, I would never want any bad blood stemming from any national team decisions to effect my team in anyway.
- Pete V

Canada won gold so you can't fault Yzerman's decision and I also know that Team Canada's management used more of a democracy to pick which players would make the team so it's not like Yzerman bodied MSL himself but Kunitz over MSL originally is brutal.

Canada won gold so you can't fault Yzerman's decision and I also know that Team Canada's management used more of a democracy to pick which players would make the team so it's not like Yzerman bodied MSL himself but Kunitz over MSL originally is brutal.
- rangerdanger94

I am not faulting Yzerman's decision. What I am saying is that he being the one to make it puts him in a bad spot. If you pick your own player, despite others in the group wanting someone else, then you are accused of nepotism. If you don't pick your own player (especially when they are deserving), then the player feels like you snubbed him. It's just a bad spot for both the GM playing the duel role, and the NHL franchise who pays both the player's and GM's salary.

I am not faulting Yzerman's decision. What I am saying is that he being the one to make it puts him in a bad spot. If you pick your own player, despite others in the group wanting someone else, then you are accused of nepotism. If you don't pick your own player (especially when they are deserving), then the player feels like you snubbed him. It's just a bad spot for both the GM playing the duel role, and the NHL franchise who pays both the player's and GM's salary.
- Pete V

Not an issue anymore, Yzerman resigned from hockey Canada.

A bit off topic, but I think a General Manager of a NHL team also GMing their national team in the Olympics is a conflict of interest. Bad things can happen if you play that duel role, and I think they happened in Tampa's case. As an owner of a team, I would never want any bad blood stemming from any national team decisions to effect my team in anyway.
- Pete V

Do you think that may have had something to with MSL's snub? Maybe yzerman wanted to show there was disparity? Itd answer that question bcs the guy should have been on the team.

Speaking for myself only, I would be upset, there is no doubt about that. For me, the closest thing that I have experienced for this was Mark Messier bolting as a free agent in the late 1990s, which felt like a bit of a betrayal to me (given his stature in New York). That being said, there were all kinds of issues involved with Rangers' ownership/management at that time (i.e., the feeling of disrespect), which also played a role in the St. Louis departure from Tampa (whether he was justified or not).

At the end of the day, with the passage of time, I think people starting too recognize the contributions of players while they played in the club's uniforms, and ultimately forgive. Maybe people's feeling are a little raw right now, but I think ultimately that will change. I think the best thing that the Tampa fans could do tonight, is be the bigger person(s) about it and cheer the guy for what he's done. Now, obviously that is each individual's personal prerogative, but that would be the way I would go (realizing the other side of this).
- Pete V

I agree. I know id be pissed if I were a tampa fan thats why I have a hard time understanding why some ranger fans are questioning it? In fact, the way he left id probably be so pissed that it would completely negate anything he did in the past for quite some time

Do you think that may have had something to with MSL's snub? Maybe yzerman want to show there was disparity? Itd answer that question bcs the guy should have been on the team.
- Cptmjl

I think MSL got snubbed because of his size and age and he was just like "fvck this poop I've always been the nice guy and overcame the odds and my final chance to play in the Olympics I'm getting snubbed after leading the world in points in the last 100 games?" Good for him for standing up for himself and being assertive and putting himself in a position where he's finally happy.

Do you think that may have had something to with MSL's snub? Maybe yzerman want to show there was disparity? Itd answer that question bcs the guy should have been on the team.
- Cptmjl

Even if he would have been on the team right off the bat, he might not have played much. It was obvious the coach (Babcock) didn't want him there.

Looks pretty solid on paper. Chances of all those prospects actually panning out are usually slim but Yzerman has a good track record of developing youth both patiently and the right way.
- rangerdanger94

Yzerman drafts for all position top and bottom. I just thought that it was a little early to write those picks off.

Even if he would have been on the team right off the bat, he might not have played much. It was obvious the coach (Babcock) didn't want him there.
- TBolts4

Did not know Babcock didn't want him there.

I think MSL got snubbed because of his size and age and he was just like "fvck this poop I've always been the nice guy and overcame the odds and my final chance to play in the Olympics I'm getting snubbed after leading the world in points in the last 100 games?" Good for him for standing up for himself and being assertive and putting himself in a position where he's finally happy.
- rangerdanger94

That's one way of looking at it.

Many of those listed left for different reasons. For instance Bourque was graciously granted a trade so he could pursue a cup when the B's weren't competitive. Not one listed requested a trade at the deadline on a playoff team.

Marty earned the love and admiration of this city over the years and no Bolt fan doesn't recognize his contributions.

Ask yourself this, if Brian Leetch had pulled this on your Rags how would you feel?
- uf1910

I would have thought he earned the right and been sad as a fan to see him go. Messier was on that list as well. I was blindsided as a fan and heartbroken but never held it against him.

Is it possible that MSL could not wait until summer to make the move because his mother's health would not last that long? She passed away during the playoffs. The summer would have been too late.

A bit off topic, but I think a General Manager of a NHL team also GMing their national team in the Olympics is a conflict of interest. Bad things can happen if you play that duel role, and I think they happened in Tampa's case. As an owner of a team, I would never want any bad blood stemming from any national team decisions to effect my team in anyway.
- Pete V

Which is probably why Yzerman resigned from the Team Canada post as soon as the Olympics were finished

I am not faulting Yzerman's decision. What I am saying is that he being the one to make it puts him in a bad spot. If you pick your own player, despite others in the group wanting someone else, then you are accused of nepotism. If you don't pick your own player (especially when they are deserving), then the player feels like you snubbed him. It's just a bad spot for both the GM playing the duel role, and the NHL franchise who pays both the player's and GM's salary.
- Pete V

Agreed.

This is simple, Marty left in a poopty way by demanding a trade during a playoff push with our best player out while Captain of the team. He had the respect of the front office and owner so when he said he wanted the trade he was going to get it so demand is an appropriate word here.

All of us Lightning fans understand all the accomplishments he did for our team and will welcome him back eventually, he was the face of the franchise the guy who we related to (little guy, little market, can't make it, team will fold, proved them wrong, won the stanley cup) no one thought would do this so it upset us and its justified.

Tonight the fans in the arena will either cheer, boo, or be silent and then we move on. The fans have the right to express their opinion in person to get closure and move on.

I don't know why that's hard for some to understand.

This is simple, Marty left in a poopty way by demanding a trade during a playoff push with our best player out while Captain of the team. He had the respect of the front office and owner so when he said he wanted the trade he was going to get it so demand is an appropriate word here.

All of us Lightning fans understand all the accomplishments he did for our team and will welcome him back eventually, he was the face of the franchise the guy who we related to (little guy, little market, can't make it, team will fold, proved them wrong, won the stanley cup) no one thought would do this so it upset us and its justified.

Tomorrow the fans in the arena will either cheer, boo, or be silent and then we move on. The fans have the right to express their opinion in person to get closure and move on.

I don't know why that's hard for some to understand.
- stammerman

Very well said

This is simple, Marty left in a poopty way by demanding a trade during a playoff push with our best player out while Captain of the team. He had the respect of the front office and owner so when he said he wanted the trade he was going to get it so demand is an appropriate word here.

All of us Lightning fans understand all the accomplishments he did for our team and will welcome him back eventually, he was the face of the franchise the guy who we related to (little guy, little market, can't make it, team will fold, proved them wrong, won the stanley cup) no one thought would do this so it upset us and its justified.

Tomorrow the fans in the arena will either cheer, boo, or be silent and then we move on. The fans have the right to express their opinion in person to get closure and move on.

I don't know why that's hard for some to understand.
- stammerman

Here is a good line with the link below showing the mixed emotions that Bolts fans have.

The explanation for his trade demand has always been unclear — a nebulous, blanket statement of “family reasons” was most prevalent — and so too have the responses; onlookers seem torn between acknowledging the tremendous things St. Louis accomplished during his improbable 16-year career, and accepting the ugly way he ditched the Lightning organization (while serving as captain, no less).

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...lvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

This is simple, Marty left in a poopty way by demanding a trade during a playoff push with our best player out while Captain of the team. He had the respect of the front office and owner so when he said he wanted the trade he was going to get it so demand is an appropriate word here.

All of us Lightning fans understand all the accomplishments he did for our team and will welcome him back eventually, he was the face of the franchise the guy who we related to (little guy, little market, can't make it, team will fold, proved them wrong, won the stanley cup) no one thought would do this so it upset us and its justified.

Tomorrow the fans in the arena will either cheer, boo, or be silent and then we move on. The fans have the right to express their opinion in person to get closure and move on.

I don't know why that's hard for some to understand.
- stammerman

Isn't the game tonight?

Isn't the game tonight?
- Cptmjl

Your right... haha... brain fart finishing up work for the holiday break. I edited it... can't wait to be there and see the atmosphere it will be interesting.

Here is a good line with the link below showing the mixed emotions that Bolts fans have.

The explanation for his trade demand has always been unclear — a nebulous, blanket statement of “family reasons” was most prevalent — and so too have the responses; onlookers seem torn between acknowledging the tremendous things St. Louis accomplished during his improbable 16-year career, and accepting the ugly way he ditched the Lightning organization (while serving as captain, no less).

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...lvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
- uf1910

The Islanders may be the real winner in the MSL trade
- Cptmjl

These two words don't belong in the same sentence, at least not for the past 21 years