Every single move, player deployment, minutes, benchings, demotions Eakins has done has been a "wtf are you doing"move.


tell me one single good move Eakins has done since he's been here? Just 1
- SpoiledByOil

Minutes for Yaks are pretty on par with the impact he's made.
Doesn't deserve much better imo. I don't buy that his struggles are all Eakins fault.

Fayne 's minutes seem low though. I like him, but I'd assume his inability to move the puck probably has a lot to do with them. We desperately need guys that can break the puck out.

The demotions didn't have a ton of effect imo. Marincin had an average preseason and hadn't proven enough before that to get the benefit. In season, he started well, but had a few weak games lm maybe his demotion was abit harsh, but Aulie was mediocre, but not terrible for the mist part, and I don't think we lost cause of missing mm at all.

Nikitin mins high. But again, he can move the puck abit and has a shot. He's pretty messy tho.

Yaks shouldn't be getting ebs mins alngside nuge imo, so maybe more with perron, but not really tough to see why he was where he was imo.

I think hes tried to kind of even out offence, but it's been tough when ur playing from behind alot and need to go back to the one super line that is our only proven one. And giving bigger mins to the 4th while taking away some from the middle 6 was necessary for many reasons imo.

Alot can be questioned of his tactics, but I think logically speaking, most weren't completely out of the ordinary.

And I think MacT might agree. Thus the vote of confidence. Maybe mact is an idiot and can't see what u do. But in personally don't think this is the case

Minutes for Yaks are pretty on par with the impact he's made.
Doesn't deserve much better imo. I don't buy that his struggles are all Eakins fault. His impact is a pretty direct result of his linemates, has his play this year not justified increased time and better linemates? His less than 5 minutes of play and benching within a week and half Eakins first year was justified? Is there 1 single forward on the team other than Hall and maybe Nuge playing as hard every game as Yakupov?

Fayne 's minutes seem low though. I like him, but I'd assume his inability to move the puck probably has a lot to do with them. We desperately need guys that can break the puck out.

The demotions didn't have a ton of effect imo. Marincin had an average preseason and hadn't proven enough before that to get the benefit. In season, he started well, but had a few weak games maybe his demotion was abit harsh, but Aulie was mediocre and I don't think we lost cause of missing mm at all. He was the worst player in the preseason to start opening night?

Nikitin mins high. But again, he can move the puck abit and has a shot. He's pretty messy tho.

Yaks shouldn't be getting ebs mins alngside nuge imo, so maybe more with perron, but not really tough to see why he was where he was imo. What has Ebs done to justify his minutes this year? Why isn't he being held accountable for his play?

I think hes tried to kind of even out offence, but it's been tough when ur playing from behind alot and need to go back to the one super line that is our only proven one. And giving bigger mins to the 4th while taking away some from the middle 6 was necessary for many reasons imo.

Alot can be questioned of his tactics, but I think logically speaking, most weren't completely out of the ordinary.
- hugefemale dog77

Even with all of this trying to maybe kinda sorta make some sense out his stupid moves, you still haven't told me 1 single thing he's done that has been good.

Every single move, player deployment, minutes, benchings, demotions Eakins has done has been a "wtf are you doing"move.


tell me one single good move Eakins has done since he's been here? Just 1
- SpoiledByOil

Even with all of this trying to maybe kinda sorta make some sense out his stupid moves, you still haven't told me 1 single thing he's done that has been good.
- SpoiledByOil

I'll try and address all of your retorts abit later. got class

I'll try and address all of your retorts abit later. got class
- hugefemale dog77

I just have one, what has he done that has been good for this team? Respond whenever you get a chance.

Minutes for Yaks are pretty on par with the impact he's made.
Doesn't deserve much better imo. I don't buy that his struggles are all Eakins fault.

Fayne 's minutes seem low though. I like him, but I'd assume his inability to move the puck probably has a lot to do with them. We desperately need guys that can break the puck out.

The demotions didn't have a ton of effect imo. Marincin had an average preseason and hadn't proven enough before that to get the benefit. In season, he started well, but had a few weak games lm maybe his demotion was abit harsh, but Aulie was mediocre, but not terrible for the mist part, and I don't think we lost cause of missing mm at all.

Nikitin mins high. But again, he can move the puck abit and has a shot. He's pretty messy tho.

Yaks shouldn't be getting ebs mins alngside nuge imo, so maybe more with perron, but not really tough to see why he was where he was imo.

I think hes tried to kind of even out offence, but it's been tough when ur playing from behind alot and need to go back to the one super line that is our only proven one. And giving bigger mins to the 4th while taking away some from the middle 6 was necessary for many reasons imo.

Alot can be questioned of his tactics, but I think logically speaking, most weren't completely out of the ordinary.

And I think MacT might agree. Thus the vote of confidence. Maybe mact is an idiot and can't see what u do. But in personally don't think this is the case
- hugefemale dog77

I disagree. I personally think (as an observer of awesomeness) that Yakupov would be scoring once every 2.5 games if he were getting 17-20 minutes a game. He needs to be forced on that first line with RNH and Hall, give him a true offensive assistant coach and he'd thrive. He either needs to be used right or needs to be traded. At 20, he's beginning to be misused as a 1st overall pick. He is NOT Daigle, but he isn't Crosby. Use him or lose him. He's not doing that much good on the 2nd/3rd pairing of a shallowly offensive team.

Every single move, player deployment, minutes, benchings, demotions Eakins has done has been a "wtf are you doing"move.


tell me one single good move Eakins has done since he's been here? Just 1
- SpoiledByOil

I think he's made some questionable decisions but not nearly what you make it out to be. And Hall directly said yesterday that Eakins getting fired is unfair and it's not his fault. He said he does not want a new coach. Other player have said it as well. They all want to work out of it and not scapegoat Eakins.

He's staying. Might as well start looking for the positives rather than the negatives as you always seem to.

- hereticpride

Eakins is a terrible coach at the NHL level. He is a class 1 AHL coach, though. I've watched 15 Oilers games this season and he is misusing players on the wrong lines and matching them to the wrong opposition. Bring Renney or Ramsey back as head coach. (frank), hire Slather again.

Eakins is a terrible coach at the NHL level. He is a class 1 AHL coach, though. I've watched 15 Oilers games this season and he is misusing players on the wrong lines and matching them to the wrong opposition. Bring Renney or Ramsey back as head coach. (frank), hire Slather again.
- CreepyPasta

Ramsey was brought in and touted as a defensive specialist and a pp specialist. Both have sucked!

I think he's made some questionable decisions but not nearly what you make it out to be. And Hall directly said yesterday that Eakins getting fired is unfair and it's not his fault. He said he does not want a new coach. Other player have said it as well. They all want to work out of it and not scapegoat Eakins.

He's staying. Might as well start looking for the positives rather than the negatives as you always seem to.
- ghostofRC

Positives?? What positives? And a player didn't call out the coach he's currently playing for? What a shocker

Positives, hah. Good one

Ramsey was brought in and touted as a defensive specialist and a pp specialist. Both have sucked!
- ghostofRC

Ramsey is being misused, as is Eakins. Trust me on Renney. After being a Red Wings assistant coach, he would thrive with the talent the Oilers currently have. All the Wings former assistant coaches/staff have thrived with the right talent:

Sens do well enough while not spending any money.
Sharks are always perennial regular season beasts.
Hurricanes are doing great once Staal came back.
Stars have made amazing trades/signings.
Lightning are phenomenal in all aspects.

Renney is now head of the Canada thing and could easily be bought. He has assistant coached a plethora of youth over the last 2-3 years in Detroit with the kids (Nyquist, Jurco, Sheahan, Tatar, Smith, Kindle, DeKeyser, Mrazek), imagine what he could do with the kids in Edmonton who are that full step above Detroit's kids.

And yes, I know he had the helm at the start of the decade, but he didn't have the current skillset of Hall, RNH, Yak, Eberle, Perron, Drai, Petry, etc..

I disagree. I personally think (as an observer of awesomeness) that Yakupov would be scoring once every 2.5 games if he were getting 17-20 minutes a game. He needs to be forced on that first line with RNH and Hall, give him a true offensive assistant coach and he'd thrive. He either needs to be used right or needs to be traded. At 20, he's beginning to be misused as a 1st overall pick. He is NOT Daigle, but he isn't Crosby. Use him or lose him. He's not doing that much good on the 2nd/3rd pairing of a shallowly offensive team.
- CreepyPasta

Putting offensive players into offensive positions to develop is a horrible idea, why would you think such a thing?

Putting offensive players into offensive positions to develop is a horrible idea, why would you think such a thing?
- SpoiledByOil

I hope that is sarcasm. Yakupov needs to be exposed to high end play. You don't shield #1 drafted forwards after two years in the big leagues. If he was a defenseman, I'd understand, but he's not Ekblad or Johnson. He's Nail Yakupov. Being a Russian, he was drafted for skill, scoring, and suave. Use him or lose him like I said. Teams didn't shelter Ovechkin, Federov, Bure, or Malkin. They were given two years at max before being used in a top six manner and getting 15+ minutes a game. (frank) Eakins for wasting Yakupov and (frank) MacTavish for not trading him if he doesn't believe in him.

I hope that is sarcasm. Yakupov needs to be exposed to high end play. You don't shield #1 drafted forwards after two years in the big leagues. If he was a defenseman, I'd understand, but he's not Ekblad or Johnson. He's Nail Yakupov. Being a Russian, he was drafted for skill, scoring, and suave. Use him or lose him like I said. Teams didn't shelter Ovechkin, Federov, Bure, or Malkin. They were given two years at max before being used in a top six manner and getting 15+ minutes a game. (frank) Eakins for wasting Yakupov and (frank) MacTavish for not trading him if he doesn't believe in him.
- CreepyPasta

It was Sarcasm, I absolutely agree with this, I've been saying it since Yakupov played less than 5 minutes opening night last year. I've been saying it every time he refuses to use him on the 5v3, using him on the left side point on the 5v4, playing him with (frank)ing Hendricks and Gazdic and Purcell and wondering why he's not producing. Why is he turning into a 3rd line player?? Because we're (frank)ing developing him into a 3rd line player. It's painfully obvious and it blows my mind how people can't see this.

We didn't draft him for his defensive skills. We drafted him for his goal scoring skills, which he clearly demonstrated his rookie year. Put him with 2-way players, don't make him into something he's not, then complain when he becomes that player. It's (frank)ing pathetic

It was Sarcasm, I absolutely agree with this, I've been saying it since Yakupov played less than 5 minutes opening night last year. I've been saying it every time he refuses to use him on the 5v3, using him on the left side point on the 5v4, playing him with (frank)ing Hendricks and Gazdic and Purcell and wondering why he's not producing. Why is he turning into a 3rd line player?? Because we're (frank)ing developing him into a 3rd line player. It's painfully obvious and it blows my mind how people can't see this.

We didn't draft him for his defensive skills. We drafted him for his goal scoring skills, which he clearly demonstrated his rookie year. Put him with 2-way players, don't make him into something he's not, then complain when he becomes that player. It's (frank)ing pathetic
- SpoiledByOil

Yakupov is like Ovechkin. Use him on the 5v5 as a top six winger getting 15 minutes and use him on the PP like a Vietnamese whore with amnesia.

Yak should be scoring 25 goals a year until he's 23-25, then should be scoring 30-35 goals in his prime if used right. If used perfectly, even more. But he's being used like Perron, and Yak has a MUCH higher return than Yakupov.

The Oilers should use him on the first line at the minimum for 15 games and than trade him. That or use him in the top six exclusively and on the PP at least 1-1.5 minutes a night minimum if they keep him. He'd be a great centerpiece for a trade with Pittsburgh, Detroit, or Boston for a #2 defenseman/other pieces.

It was Sarcasm, I absolutely agree with this, I've been saying it since Yakupov played less than 5 minutes opening night last year. I've been saying it every time he refuses to use him on the 5v3, using him on the left side point on the 5v4, playing him with (frank)ing Hendricks and Gazdic and Purcell and wondering why he's not producing. Why is he turning into a 3rd line player?? Because we're (frank)ing developing him into a 3rd line player. It's painfully obvious and it blows my mind how people can't see this.

We didn't draft him for his defensive skills. We drafted him for his goal scoring skills, which he clearly demonstrated his rookie year. Put him with 2-way players, don't make him into something he's not, then complain when he becomes that player. It's (frank)ing pathetic
- SpoiledByOil

No he had major flaws in his positioning. His rookie stats were inflated due to some luck. The oilers pp had a very high shooting % and pdo that was unsustainable. Dubnyk standing in his head also helped massively. You keep talking out of your ass. If you use a stat to back up your argument you refuse to look at any other stats that refute it. Yak is getting better and Is working hard. He's taking the body. His shot has been terrible. Weak or missing the net or from bad spots. Mac is looking for a centre right now. It's apparent yaks line needs a better c. Blaming Eakins is a cop out.

Yakupov is like Ovechkin. Use him on the 5v5 as a top six winger getting 15 minutes and use him on the PP like a Vietnamese whore with amnesia.

Yak should be scoring 25 goals a year until he's 23-25, then should be scoring 30-35 goals in his prime if used right. If used perfectly, even more. But he's being used like Perron, and Yak has a MUCH higher return than Yakupov.

The Oilers should use him on the first line at the minimum for 15 games and than trade him. That or use him in the top six exclusively and on the PP at least 1-1.5 minutes a night minimum if they keep him. He'd be a great centerpiece for a trade with Pittsburgh, Detroit, or Boston for a #2 defenseman/other pieces.
- CreepyPasta

Couldn't agree more, he should have been used exclusively in the top 6 after his rookie year to keep him rolling. "Well Yakupov finished the year with 11 goals in 10 games, second only to Ovechkin, and in his rookie year to boot. What should we do to keep him rolling and keep his confidence up? I know, let's play him less than 5 minutes opening night, then play him with plugs and grinders when he comes back from being a healthy scratch 5 games in"

Genius

No he had major flaws in his positioning. His rookie stats were inflated due to some luck. The oilers pp had a very high shooting % and pdo that was unsustainable. Dubnyk standing in his head also helped massively. You keep talking out of your ass. If you use a stat to back up your argument you refuse to look at any other stats that refute it. Yak is getting better and I'd working hard. He's taking the body. His shot has been terrible. Weak or missing the net or from bad spots. Mac is looking for a centre right now. It's apparent yaks line needs a better c. Blaming Eakins is a cop out.
- ghostofRC

Yes the PP was unsustainable, even though it was the same 2 years in a row, everyone knows the more shots you take on the PP the better it is, even though you're not scoring you're taking more shots. It's almost as if Not scoring on the PP means you can take more shots.

Oh he was out of position and looked lost? Probably had nothing to do with playing with Gazdic

Show me these stats that refute my argument. (frank) me how the hell can people not see what's so pathetically and blatantly obvious

Couldn't agree more, he should have been used exclusively in the top 6 after his rookie year to keep him rolling. "Well Yakupov finished the year with 11 goals in 10 games, second only to Ovechkin, and in his rookie year to boot. What should we do to keep him rolling and keep his confidence up? I know, let's play him less than 5 minutes opening night, then play him with plugs and grinders when he comes back from being a healthy scratch 5 games in"

Genius
- SpoiledByOil

GhostofRC is semi-right. Yakupov needs a solid center to be used right. Using Acrobello or a rookie like Draisatl is wrong on every level. Yak needs RNH or at a minimum, a Jordan Staal/Richards (Mike or Brad) type of playmaking 2nd line center to compliment his style of play. Eakins 100% needs to be fired.

GhostofRC is semi-right. Yakupov needs a solid center to be used right. Using Acrobello or a rookie like Draisatl is wrong on every level. Yak needs RNH or at a minimum, a Jordan Staal/Richards (Mike or Brad) type of playmaking 2nd line center to compliment his style of play. Eakins 100% needs to be fired.
- CreepyPasta

He does need a centre yes, he should be given time (not just half a game) with Nuge and Ebs should be on the 2nd line. But Ebs is their favourite and can do no wrong, will never be demoted or held accountable for his play

Yes the PP was unsustainable, even though it was the same 2 years in a row, everyone knows the more shots you take on the PP the better it is, even though you're not scoring you're taking more shots. It's almost as if Not scoring on the PP means you can take more shots.

Oh he was out of position and looked lost? Probably had nothing to do with playing with Gazdic

Show me these stats that refute my argument. (frank) me how the hell can people not see what's so pathetically and blatantly obvious
- SpoiledByOil

Morris posted some stuff on the oil thread comparing Krugers pp to Eakins. And some other sv% and Corsi stuff. Kruger had the benefit of a short season, great goaltending and luck.

Yakupov is like Ovechkin. Use him on the 5v5 as a top six winger getting 15 minutes and use him on the PP like a Vietnamese whore with amnesia.

Yak should be scoring 25 goals a year until he's 23-25, then should be scoring 30-35 goals in his prime if used right. If used perfectly, even more. But he's being used like Perron, and Yak has a MUCH higher return than Yakupov.

The Oilers should use him on the first line at the minimum for 15 games and than trade him. That or use him in the top six exclusively and on the PP at least 1-1.5 minutes a night minimum if they keep him. He'd be a great centerpiece for a trade with Pittsburgh, Detroit, or Boston for a #2 defenseman/other pieces.
- CreepyPasta

Yak for Evander Kane.

Yes, but, my 1st point still holds true that Islander fans and Rangers fans both agree that the Devils need to suck. Just like everyone who follows the NHL wants the Penguins to fail outside of Pittsburgh fans, yet each fan has other teams they want to fail.
- CreepyPasta

True dat

He does need a centre yes, he should be given time (not just half a game) with Nuge and Ebs should be on the 2nd line. But Ebs is their favourite and can do no wrong, will never be demoted or held accountable for his play
- SpoiledByOil

I do agree Ebs seems to get treated differently

Morris posted some stuff on the oil thread comparing Krugers pp to Eakins. And some other sv% and Corsi stuff. Kruger had the benefit of a short season, great goaltending and luck.
- ghostofRC

High shooting percentages on a PP are an indication of a good PP system, or is it just a coincidence that all of he best PPs in the league just happen to have a high shooting percentage. That's kind of the whole idea of a PP. Good ones have high shooting percentage, bad ones do not. Horrible horrible argument. Benefit of a short season against only western teams.