I think they have 3 right now, not counting Hagg. However, if we'd done what this board wanted to do with every single waived player, we'd be at like 53.
- jmatchett383

Understood; you are right in that you can't have everyone, and as I said, if you think you can do better than Galiardi, you certainly don't need to burn a slot on him

But I do think he's better than Umberger, at this stage of their respective careers

Understood; you are right in that you can't have everyone, and as I said, if you think you can do better than Galiardi, you certainly don't need to burn a slot on him

But I do think he's better than Umberger, at this stage of their respective careers
- AllInForFlyers

Would you rather have RJ Umberger or Matt Frattin in the lineup? Please think about this without going straight for the "Umberger sucks" gun.

Understood; you are right in that you can't have everyone, and as I said, if you think you can do better than Galiardi, you certainly don't need to burn a slot on him

But I do think he's better than Umberger, at this stage of their respective careers
- AllInForFlyers

A myopic quadriplegic would be better than Umberger right now

Would you rather have RJ Umberger or Matt Frattin in the lineup? Please think about this without going straight for the "Umberger sucks" gun.
- jmatchett383

Whats Frattin's cap hit? Im guessing its quite a bit less than Corpsebergers

Whats Frattin's cap hit? Im guessing its quite a bit less than Corpsebergers
- BiggE

Right, but you'd be adding Frattin's in addition to Umberger. People were clamoring for him when he hit the waiver wire as a "he's better than what we have, so let's get him!" type.

P.S. To answer you, it's $800,000 with one more year after this one.

But I hate Matt Martin and Cal Clutterbuck.
- jmatchett383

In addition to his head jerk last night, Clutterbuck screwed up Voracek's hand for weeks with an unpenalized slash last season.

Would you rather have RJ Umberger or Matt Frattin in the lineup? Please think about this without going straight for the "Umberger sucks" gun.
- jmatchett383

No; from what I hear, Frattin's just not made it back from an injury he sustained, maybe to his knee

Believe it or not, I don't "hate" Umberger. Truthfully, I wish he could still play because the Flyers did move an asset for him.

We all knew there was some decline, but nothing like what we've seen.

I'm just one of those people who believes that it isn't a crime to make an error. The crime is trying to act like the mistake hasn't happened

Right, but you'd be adding Frattin's in addition to Umberger. People were clamoring for him when he hit the waiver wire as a "he's better than what we have, so let's get him!" type.

P.S. To answer you, it's $800,000 with one more year after this one.
- jmatchett383

I hear you. Honestly, I'd just bring up Rosehill and waive RJ. Rosehill is no worse a player at this point and at least he can beat someone up once in a while

No; from what I hear, Frattin's just not made it back from an injury he sustained, maybe to his knee

Believe it or not, I don't "hate" Umberger. Truthfully, I wish he could still play because the Flyers did move an asset for him.

We all knew there was some decline, but nothing like what we've seen.

I'm just one of those people who believes that it isn't a crime to make an error. The crime is trying to act like the mistake hasn't happened
- AllInForFlyers

Exactly

No; from what I hear, Frattin's just not made it back from an injury he sustained, maybe to his knee

Believe it or not, I don't "hate" Umberger. Truthfully, I wish he could still play because the Flyers did move an asset for him.

We all knew there was some decline, but nothing like what we've seen.

I'm just one of those people who believes that it isn't a crime to make an error. The crime is trying to act like the mistake hasn't happened
- AllInForFlyers

I think we all feel the same way about him.

But as for waiver players, it just seems like this board constantly looks at the lush, green grass on the other side.

And when the coach refuses to sit them?

Umberger, cough cough, Umberger.....
- BiggE

I think Umberger will be on the 4th line as soon as Raffl is fit.

BSchenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Laughton-Lecavalier
Rinaldo-Bellemare-Umberger

I hear you. Honestly, I'd just bring up Rosehill and waive RJ. Rosehill is no worse a player at this point and at least he can beat someone up once in a while
- BiggE

I agree, actually. Rosehill at least has some speed and can get in on the forecheck.

Isn't that sad? Like, REALLY sad?

I hear you. Honestly, I'd just bring up Rosehill and waive RJ. Rosehill is no worse a player at this point and at least he can beat someone up once in a while
- BiggE

At least he can bring energy to the team by pounding the crap out of someone!
He did bring this team back to life a few times last year by starting and winning a fight!
He did win the fastest skater competition in camp as well!

I think we all feel the same way about him.

But as for waiver players, it just seems like this board constantly looks at the lush, green grass on the other side.
- jmatchett383

I hear you, and I totally understand your point. I promise, I do

I hear you. Honestly, I'd just bring up Rosehill and waive RJ. Rosehill is no worse a player at this point and at least he can beat someone up once in a while
- BiggE

I know it feels like that, but if Rosehill was an every game player getting 12 ES minutes a night he would be a lot worse than Umberger's -7.

At least he can bring energy to the team by pounding the crap out of someone!
He did bring this team back to life a few times last year by starting and winning a fight!
He did win the fastest skater competition in camp as well!
- 3flyerkids

I would NOT, under any circumstances, bring up Stortini.

Well, maybe if someone took a deliberate run at Giroux or Voracek and their star player needed the same. But as a hockey player, I'll take Umberger.

I know it feels like that, but if Rosehill was an every game player getting 12 ES minutes a night he would be a lot worse than Umberger's -7.
- Feanor

If/when we have a healthy lineup, as you proposed, Rosehill could take his spot on the 4th line and get those coveted Rinaldo-type ES minutes.

I think Umberger will be on the 4th line as soon as Raffl is fit.

BSchenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Laughton-Lecavalier
Rinaldo-Bellemare-Umberger
- Feanor

If they don't do anything, this is probably the best they've got -- Read's gotta start scoring

If they don't do anything, this is probably the best they've got -- Read's gotta start scoring
- AllInForFlyers

Read could be in line for demotion to the 3rd line with Raffl taking his spot.

I agree, actually. Rosehill at least has some speed and can get in on the forecheck.

Isn't that sad? Like, REALLY sad?
- jmatchett383

Yeah it is

Have some pride RJ, if this is the best you can play, hang em up

I know it feels like that, but if Rosehill was an every game player getting 12 ES minutes a night he would be a lot worse than Umberger's -7.
- Feanor

Play him 5-7 mins and spot others on the 4th line here and there. Either way Umberger needs to come out of the lineup

I know it feels like that, but if Rosehill was an every game player getting 12 ES minutes a night he would be a lot worse than Umberger's -7.
- Feanor

Umberger should not be getting 12 ES minutes. Bellemare should have his ice time. I will take Rosehill at 8 minutes and the edge he can bring to his game. I really don't see why Umberger is thought of as a great skating forward! Really.... The guy is a Zombie.. No energy level

I think Umberger will be on the 4th line as soon as Raffl is fit.

BSchenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Laughton-Lecavalier
Rinaldo-Bellemare-Umberger
- Feanor

That's the lineup I'd like to see. I think Umberger can still help them on the 4th line.

I know it feels like that, but if Rosehill was an every game player getting 12 ES minutes a night he would be a lot worse than Umberger's -7.
- Feanor

The full circle that this board goes through is amazing. Rosehill is an enforcer, and can't play. Why is he on the team. Now bring him up!

Flyers next 6 games...

@ Detroit
vs. NYR
@ NYR
@ SJ
@ ANA
@LA

If Berube is still the coach come Dec 9, I'd be pretty surprised. That is a brutal stretch. Changes are a coming boys.