Once again, it's a misnomer that the Penguins are somehow different from other teams in the league because they have defensive prospects. That's just not true, the vast majority of teams have defensive prospects equaling or surpassing those of the Penguins. The difference with the Penguins is that defensive prospects (+ Jarry) is about all they have.

The Ducks have drafted Theodore, Petterssen and Montour over the past two drafts.

They don't need Dumoulin.

But it is a different strategy. Bring in other teams' likely busts like Etem en masse and maybe one or two of them will show something worthwhile.
- hardnosed

A year ago (when maatta was considered a prospect) no other team had 3 defensive prospects that looked good enough to be in the top 4. Maatta has proved he is, Harrington is getting closer (already a 5th/6th on many teams) and if pouliot continues his play then his ceiling is just as high. Sure some teams had that one stud d prospect, but to have 3 is nice. The ducks have a bunch of dumoulins on their team, in which they look like they could play in the NHL, but their ceilings are much lower. Another team that Ryan mentioned before were the blues. Their d prospects aren't very good and a trade could be made to benefit both teams

Martin and Spaling for Etem, Palmeri, and a 2nd
- cap1681

Good Value I just don't really know how I feel about trading Martin. We can talk about asset management until we are blue in the face but Martin is a great defenseman and I think he helps us for a cup run immensely. I know we have D depth but none of them have proven they can play 20 plus minutes a night at a high level in the NHL. Wish I could ask my magic 8 ball what the best course of action is.

Didn't Etem just get demoted by the Ducks? Why in the world would we want a guy that isn't good enough to crack the line up of a team that isn't as good as ours?

- nbartley9

And not only did he get demoted, he got demoted to make room for Rene Bourque.

Guys like Etem and Rattie are caught in the same number game as Despres was, and Dumoulin and Harrington are in now. Good enough to play in the NHL, but no real spot for them.

And unless a team really needs to fill another position, they aren't going to trade them, and St. Louis and Anaheim really don't need another defenseman. Like the Pens have been with their prospects, they are much more likely to just sit on them and keep them in the AHL until they are needed, due to injuries or season to season turnover.

Didn't Etem just get demoted by the Ducks? Why in the world would we want a guy that isn't good enough to crack the line up of a team that isn't as good as ours?



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- nbartley9

Despres was demoted time and time again for Scuderi, Murray, old man Eaton. It doesn't mean he isn't good enough. It could mean he isn't the coaches cup of tea.

I would love for LA to pick up Martin.

Weal is a possible trade chip in LA. So are others possibly Clifford as a roster player but LA needs to shed salary hopefully get voynovs situation handled.

And not only did he get demoted, he got demoted to make room for Rene Bourque.
- hardnosed

Good god almighty, where can I sign up for this trade.... wow. This is a waste of time even talking about, "management is looking to go a different way".


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Good god almighty, where can I sign up for this trade.... wow. This is a waste of time even talking about, "management is looking to go a different way".


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- nbartley9

Ouch! if that's the case, nothign to see here. RW can pick a name out of a hat, throw some graphs up and say he has potential, next thing you know were trading 1st, 87, 3 and 71 for him!

Good Value I just don't really know how I feel about trading Martin. We can talk about asset management until we are blue in the face but Martin is a great defenseman and I think he helps us for a cup run immensely. I know we have D depth but none of them have proven they can play 20 plus minutes a night at a high level in the NHL. Wish I could ask my magic 8 ball what the best course of action is.
- dbell646

I just see it dealing a strength to upgrade a weakness. Getting Etem(22) and Palmeri(23) would give the Penguins much better forward depth, with that depth being in the form of 2 players you have control over for a while. Etem at worst is a 3rd line player and at best a top 6 scoring winger. Palmeri is already a top 6 winger, and plays a game that would mesh well with Crosby. Losing Martin would sting, but it's time to take the wrapping off these young defensemen. I personally think that Despres is ready to play 20+ minutes a night, and when he does he will flourish.

I want to see E Kane and Jags, then let the good times roll. Im not sure what it would take to get Kane im sure an arm and a leg; but he is a beast and totally worth the risk. I would unload the farm for Kane, the time to win is now the window is definitely not opening wider.



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A year ago (when maatta was considered a prospect) no other team had 3 defensive prospects that looked good enough to be in the top 4. Maatta has proved he is, Harrington is getting closer (already a 5th/6th on many teams) and if pouliot continues his play then his ceiling is just as high. Sure some teams had that one stud d prospect, but to have 3 is nice. The ducks have a bunch of dumoulins on their team, in which they look like they could play in the NHL, but their ceilings are much lower. Another team that Ryan mentioned before were the blues. Their d prospects aren't very good and a trade could be made to benefit both teams
- drummer829

Lots of teams have 3 or more quality defensive prospects.

I already hashed out the Blues when it was brought up - they've got a bunch of prospects on defense. Schmaltz was a 1st rounder in 2012, Vanelli a 2nd the same year, etc.

There's maybe two teams in the entire league with a lack of D prospects - Senators and Blue Jackets, and in both of those cases it's partially because they've already got their "prospects" up in the NHL.

I just see it dealing a strength to upgrade a weakness. Getting Etem(22) and Palmeri(23) would give the Penguins much better forward depth, with that depth being in the form of 2 players you have control over for a while. Etem at worst is a 3rd line player and at best a top 6 scoring winger. Palmeri is already a top 6 winger, and plays a game that would mesh well with Crosby. Losing Martin would sting, but it's time to take the wrapping off these young defensemen. I personally think that Despres is ready to play 20+ minutes a night, and when he does he will flourish.
- cap1681

Well said. I'd like to see Despres get a shot.

Lots of teams have 3 or more quality defensive prospects.

I already hashed out the Blues when it was brought up - they've got a bunch of prospects on defense. Schmaltz was a 1st rounder in 2012, Vanelli a 2nd the same year, etc.

There's maybe two teams in the entire league with a lack of D prospects - Senators and Blue Jackets, and in both of those cases it's partially because they've already got their "prospects" up in the NHL.
- hardnosed

Blue Jackets are tough to swing a deal with due to them being in our division but I'm sure we could swing something with Ottawa. I'd take Michalek.

I want to see E Kane and Jags, then let the good times roll. Im not sure what it would take to get Kane im sure an arm and a leg; but he is a beast and totally worth the risk. I would unload the farm for Kane, the time to win is now the window is definitely not opening wider.



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- nbartley9

His cap is 5.25 for the next 3 yrs after this. I am sure a ton of teams are drooling over that. If Hossa as a rental cost a 1st, 1st rnd prospect, and 2 roster players, I cant imagine what Kane would cost.

His cap is 5.25 for the next 3 yrs after this. I am sure a ton of teams are drooling over that. If Hossa as a rental cost a 1st, 1st rnd prospect, and 2 roster players, I cant imagine what Kane would cost.
- sammy87

I'd have to assume it would be right around that. At the time Hossa was traded he was pretty well sought after as well.

Blue Jackets are tough to swing a deal with due to them being in our division but I'm sure we could swing something with Ottawa. I'd take Michalek.
- dbell646

id love to have mcarthur over just about anyone besides bobby ryan or karlson on that team hes a good solid 2 way player the pens could use for sure

I'd have to assume it would be right around that. At the time Hossa was traded he was pretty well sought after as well.
- dbell646

I wonder what the going rate on this handsome devil would be, get it devil....ok that was bad.

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I wonder what the going rate on this handsome devil would be, get it devil....ok that was bad.

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- nbartley9

We'd get the traveling Jagr's as well. I don't share your love for him he has been dead to me since he left.

id love to have mcarthur over just about anyone besides bobby ryan or karlson on that team hes a good solid 2 way player the pens could use for sure
- JLT168

Forgot about Mcarthur. Can't say that I can remember seeing him play recently. Is he doing well?

SOmeone mentioned Michalek, i know he has a ton of skill but I think he's too soff for this club.

Forgot about Mcarthur. Can't say that I can remember seeing him play recently. Is he doing well?
- dbell646

top forward on their team points wise.

Forgot about Mcarthur. Can't say that I can remember seeing him play recently. Is he doing well?
- dbell646

How about Shero had a deal in place to sign Mcarthur and then found out that Scuds was open to coming back to the burgh. And the rest is history....Yikes!

His cap is 5.25 for the next 3 yrs after this. I am sure a ton of teams are drooling over that. If Hossa as a rental cost a 1st, 1st rnd prospect, and 2 roster players, I cant imagine what Kane would cost.
- sammy87

However, it was a late first, a falling 1st round prospect, a complimentary player that could maybe pot 20 if he was playing with the best player on the planet but was otherwise a 3rd liner, and a shootout specialist not good enough for the 2nd line but with the wrong skillset for the 3rd or 4th line center.

Armstrong & Christensen were essentially Comeau & Spaling with less physical sides.

Did anybody watch the post-game last night? Was there any info on BB?
- madmike71

The fact that he returned and finished the game makes me think that it was nothing more than a scare

How about Shero had a deal in place to sign Mcarthur and then found out that Scuds was open to coming back to the burgh. And the rest is history....Yikes!
- madmike71

Tough pill to swallow. MacArthur is exactly what they need(ed).