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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Nov 24 @ 7:07 PM ET
acquiring Luke Schenn, his as bad as most oilers defensive ability, and his anchor contract, would be a bitter pill to swallow. I like the other two players though well enough, and lord knows many oil fans are getting pretty fed up with both Eberle and Schultz. You only get one chance to trade an Eberle or Yak so you want to do it right.

That deal would depend largely on whether we had made serious strides to retain Petry before he hit FA.

I don't think Arizona would do Yaks for Yandle. I think it might have been done already if that was the case.

Hansen is pretty good and has a good contract, but only if we make those first two trades does RW become an area of need for us. We might rather a less good, cheaper option as by that point we'd be talking about adding 4 million in cap through those moves.

Interesting enough ones, though.

- Morris
I think Schenn is still alright. Guy was solid if unspectaculer in Toronto. Perhaps a better fit for the west? I think all of these trades are realistic and fair.(perhaps edm adds to the yotes deal). Having a 3rd line of Pouliot, Gordon and Hansen would be huge, along with a day and night better defense and a better goalie
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Nov 24 @ 7:08 PM ET


I was thinking today. The Oilers definitely could have offered more for Seguin when he was traded from the Bruins.

Next time that opportunity occurs it would be cool if Edmonton would get on it.

Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Nov 24 @ 7:09 PM ET
I think Schenn is still alright. Guy was solid if unspectaculer in Toronto. Perhaps a better fit for the west? I think all of these trades are realistic and fair.(perhaps edm adds to the yotes deal). Having a 3rd line of Pouliot, Gordon and Hansen would be huge, along with a day and night better defense and a better goalie
- Bieksa#3


I am pretty sure that Schenn is the defenseman every forward hopes to get on the ice against. It's really too bad, because he was good early on in Toronto.

Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Nov 24 @ 7:09 PM ET
I don't doubt he's making calls, and frankly fielding calls for bad deals where we're supposed to overpay because we're desperate.

I just hope he's not passing on deals where we marginally lose on value long term but it would provide a solid platform to move forward and get some confidence going.

Seems to me that if the team gets better, we may not win the trade, but we certainly don't lose it.

- Morris

Your last statement says it all. Just because the other team improves more then you doesn't mean u lose the deal. If your team is better after the trade, then its a good trade
tmurph
Calgary Flames
Joined: 06.06.2013

Nov 24 @ 7:10 PM ET
He already works for the Oilers. Put him in charge of Hockey Ops.

He can then hire Darcy Regier.

Regeir Can then hire Dan Bylsma.

Regier can then trade Yakapov and Eberle for Richards, Muzzin and a 2nd.

- tmurph


I would also accept Pierre Lacroix as a GM. I hate the oilers but I want them to do better by making good decisions. Not by following the Penguins model of "Winning the God Damn Lottery" (Quote from Burke about 4 years ago).

Everyone thinks that the penguinis were trying to be bad during the mid 2000s. They were trying to be bad. They were forced to be bad because they couldn't afford to pay anyone because they were bankrupt.

I want a BOA again
Peterg
Location: Canada, NS
Joined: 07.27.2007

Nov 24 @ 7:10 PM ET
Halifax
- Morris


Wait a minute, there aren't any Oiler fans in Halifax.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Nov 24 @ 7:10 PM ET
I am pretty sure that Schenn is the defenseman every forward hopes to get on the ice against. It's really too bad, because he was good early on in Toronto.
- Leafs43

Personally, I'd rather be on the ice against Gardiner or Franson.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Nov 24 @ 7:12 PM ET
Personally, I'd rather be on the ice against Gardiner or Franson.
- Bieksa#3


Fair enough.

Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Nov 24 @ 7:12 PM ET
He already works for the Oilers. Put him in charge of Hockey Ops.

He can then hire Darcy Regier.

Regeir Can then hire Dan Bylsma.

Regier can then trade Yakapov and Eberle for Richards, Muzzin and a 2nd.

- tmurph

That trade is awful. Richards has negative value. So muzzin and a 2nd for Eberle and Yaks
Peterg
Location: Canada, NS
Joined: 07.27.2007

Nov 24 @ 7:13 PM ET
Personally, I'd rather be on the ice against Gardiner or Franson.
- Bieksa#3


Schultz and Hunt made a pretty awful pair.
tmurph
Calgary Flames
Joined: 06.06.2013

Nov 24 @ 7:14 PM ET
I was thinking today. The Oilers definitely could have offered more for Seguin when he was traded from the Bruins.

Next time that opportunity occurs it would be cool if Edmonton would get on it.

- Leafs43


What did they offer them?
I know the Calgary offer was Sven, Backlund and a second.

Edit: I dont actually know. That what was rumored. Sorry for sounding like a know-it-all.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 24 @ 7:17 PM ET
Wait a minute, there aren't any Oiler fans in Halifax.
- Peterg

Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Nov 24 @ 7:17 PM ET
What did they offer them?
I know the Calgary offer was Sven, Backlund and a second.

Edit: I dont actually know. That what was rumored. Sorry for sounding like a know-it-all.

- tmurph


No idea what they offered, or if they offered anything at all. But Yakupov+ probably gets it done back in 2013 when he was traded.

itwasin
Location: It Was In - June 5 2004, AB
Joined: 09.28.2013

Nov 24 @ 7:17 PM ET
Why haven't the oilers cleaned house and put Bob Nicholson in charge.
- tmurph

Bob's a smart guy. He doesn't need to put his neck in a noose. First he'll build a consensus in management about what to do, then other people will actually make the changes. He's an administrator - not an executioner. But I'd be surprised if something doesn't happen by New Years.
nated81
Edmonton Oilers
Location: ON
Joined: 07.09.2013

Nov 24 @ 7:20 PM ET
Another paragraph or two with some examples of possible guys that have some NHL experience to be the goalie coach could have improved this blog greatly.

For Example: Andy Moog. Sure he is an ex-Oiler but has some experience as a coach/consultant at the NHL and International levels, some success even.

Clint Malarchuk. He has had a few jobs as an NHL goalie coach and is from Alberta. He did take some time away because of personal reasons but maybe is ready to come back.

tmurph
Calgary Flames
Joined: 06.06.2013

Nov 24 @ 7:20 PM ET
That trade is awful. Richards has negative value. So muzzin and a 2nd for Eberle and Yaks
- Bieksa#3


Richards is a victim of an incredibly deep LA Kings team. I still watch him play and he plays pretty hard. He is also exactly what the oiler need.

If anything I don't think the kings take that trade.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Nov 24 @ 7:22 PM ET
Schultz and Hunt made a pretty awful pair.
- Peterg

I can't disagree with that
tmurph
Calgary Flames
Joined: 06.06.2013

Nov 24 @ 7:23 PM ET
Another paragraph or two with some examples of possible guys that have some NHL experience to be the goalie coach could have improved this blog greatly.

For Example: Andy Moog. Sure he is an ex-Oiler but has some experience as a coach/consultant at the NHL and International levels, some success even.

Clint Malarchuk. He has had a few jobs as an NHL goalie coach and is from Alberta. He did take some time away because of personal reasons but maybe is ready to come back.

- nated81


I was going to say Malarchuk. I thought he did a great job in Calgary. I thought the hired Schartz though (who I know nothing about).
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Nov 24 @ 7:25 PM ET
Richards is a victim of an incredibly deep LA Kings team. I still watch him play and he plays pretty hard. He is also exactly what the oiler need.

If anything I don't think the kings take that trade.

- tmurph

Richards is falling apart and has a near 6 mill cap hit for the next 6 or 7 yrs. And hes hardly a 2nd line player anymore. I'm not saying he wouldn't help edm but he only has value is he's wanted by lots of teams
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 24 @ 7:25 PM ET
I was thinking today. The Oilers definitely could have offered more for Seguin when he was traded from the Bruins.

Next time that opportunity occurs it would be cool if Edmonton would get on it.

- Leafs43

What would we have offered, like Eberle + Pajaarvi + Pitlick + Klefbom + a 2nd?

I don't think that would have beat Dallas' deal.
nated81
Edmonton Oilers
Location: ON
Joined: 07.09.2013

Nov 24 @ 7:26 PM ET
I was going to say Malarchuk. I thought he did a great job in Calgary. I thought the hired Schartz though (who I know nothing about).
- tmurph

They promoted Schwartz from the Oil Kings but that wasn't really my point. Garner could have wrote a bit more with some examples of possible choices instead off just saying it was a lazy hire. IMO, it is a lazy blog.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Nov 24 @ 7:33 PM ET
I don't doubt he's making calls, and frankly fielding calls for bad deals where we're supposed to overpay because we're desperate.

I just hope he's not passing on deals where we marginally lose on value long term but it would provide a solid platform to move forward and get some confidence going.

Seems to me that if the team gets better, we may not win the trade, but we certainly don't lose it.

- Morris


Oilers are a huge mess and the season is basically over so might as well join the McDavid sweepstakes because that kid is supposed to be the best thing to come up since Crosby.

Stumble along until February and then hang the For Sale sign on any or all of Hall, Eberle, RNH and Yak for the highest bidders to climb over themselves with offers. The Oilers could pull plenty with those guys out there - some seasoned defenceman, good kids playing in the minors, draft picks. And then the following year go after a guy like Brent Seabrook with a massive free agent offer to be their captain and show the kids something about winning.

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Nov 24 @ 7:43 PM ET
I think Schenn is still alright. Guy was solid if unspectaculer in Toronto. Perhaps a better fit for the west? I think all of these trades are realistic and fair.(perhaps edm adds to the yotes deal). Having a 3rd line of Pouliot, Gordon and Hansen would be huge, along with a day and night better defense and a better goalie
- Bieksa#3

Luke Schenn in the west would be such a horrific sight that children would no longer be permitted to watch games.
FlamesNOTLames
Calgary Flames
Location: Strathmore, AB
Joined: 11.09.2014

Nov 24 @ 7:43 PM ET
Ryan Garner: Oilers Demonstrate Laziness, Poor Optics in Goalie Coach Shuffle
- Ryan Garner

I think the Oilers organization has taken stupidity to a whole new level. Good luck with this brilliant move and trading Perron....WOW!!
sfrizz
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.05.2010

Nov 24 @ 7:44 PM ET
Go to university or too old for that? I went to Saint Mary's and grew up on the South Shore.
- bloatedmosquito


Please stop telling people you're from NS.
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