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blarneylad
Florida Panthers
Location: Tim , ON
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 27 @ 10:18 AM ET
I am a big Taylor Hall fan. I think eventually he is a captain in this league. But can't deny what Seguin has done the last 13 months.

Yakupov and Murray are a wash right now IMHO. Neither has done much.

- stormey

The scouts were mixed on Seguin and Hall. One is a center the other a winger.

I would take the center.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Nov 27 @ 10:20 AM ET
The scouts were mixed on Seguin and Hall. One is a center the other a winger.

I would take the center.

- blarneylad


i recall the scouts being slightly in favour of Hall. i agree with stormey in that Hall is really good but i thought he'd be even better... like 45 goals/100 point good. maybe he'll get there at some point.
blarneylad
Florida Panthers
Location: Tim , ON
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 27 @ 10:22 AM ET
i agree on both points but i just think that at that point, a potential #1 dman over a potential top line winger is a no-brainer, especially when they already had Hall and Eberle in the fold. but that's a franchise that to this point has shown no interest in seriously plugging their holes. it's why their goalies are Scrivens and Fasth and it's why they have an 18 year old as their second line center.
- DoubleDown

Dark days for the oil for sure

but they have great assets to point them in the right direction. The fact that management has failed to do anything yet (and not just because of this years' abysmal start but years of it) makes me think they are tanking again.

Draft McDavid and now RNH, Eberle, and Yakupov are expendable.
stormey
Location: it is Babsy turning a boy into a man - JL0961
Joined: 10.13.2005

Nov 27 @ 10:25 AM ET
i recall the scouts being slightly in favour of Hall. i agree with stormey in that Hall is really good but i thought he'd be even better... like 45 goals/100 point good. maybe he'll get there at some point.
- DoubleDown

how long before he wants the (frank) out of Edmonton?
blarneylad
Florida Panthers
Location: Tim , ON
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 27 @ 10:25 AM ET
i recall the scouts being slightly in favour of Hall. i agree with stormey in that Hall is really good but i thought he'd be even better... like 45 goals/100 point good. maybe he'll get there at some point.
- DoubleDown

Well he seems to be a point per game caliber player. And he is very young still.

I wonder how Seguin or Hall would do on the habs? And I mean had we originally drafted them. Patience with Galchenyuk may be a 'luxery' (as EE would describe) but I don't understand why other young players can break into the league and be so lethal.

Is it coaching or Galchenyuk just not being in the same category as Hall and Seguin?
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Nov 27 @ 10:27 AM ET
Dark days for the oil for sure

but they have great assets to point them in the right direction. The fact that management has failed to do anything yet (and not just because of this years' abysmal start but years of it) makes me think they are tanking again.

Draft McDavid and now RNH, Eberle, and Yakupov are expendable.

- blarneylad


i agree that at this point, it makes no sense to try to improve. their season is over and that's not even debatable. but they've got to get serious about bringing in someone who can really run the show there. i mean i feel like they're a few days away from dusting off John Muckler...
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Nov 27 @ 10:28 AM ET
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Nov 27 @ 10:28 AM ET
Well he seems to be a point per game caliber player. And he is very young still.

I wonder how Seguin or Hall would do on the habs? And I mean had we originally drafted them. Patience with Galchenyuk may be a 'luxery' (as EE would describe) but I don't understand why other young players can break into the league and be so lethal.

Is it coaching or Galchenyuk just not being in the same category as Hall and Seguin?

- blarneylad


wouldn't be shocked if he's already at that point.
stormey
Location: it is Babsy turning a boy into a man - JL0961
Joined: 10.13.2005

Nov 27 @ 10:28 AM ET
Well he seems to be a point per game caliber player. And he is very young still.

I wonder how Seguin or Hall would do on the habs? And I mean had we originally drafted them. Patience with Galchenyuk may be a 'luxery' (as EE would describe) but I don't understand why other young players can break into the league and be so lethal.

Is it coaching or Galchenyuk just not being in the same category as Hall and Seguin?

- blarneylad

I don't think anyone in the Galechnyuk draft was in the same category as Hall and Seguin.

Gally may end up being the second best player in the draft (behind Trouba...yeah...I went there) but what is his legit ceiling? 60-70 pretty consistently with maybe one big year where he tops 80?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Nov 27 @ 10:30 AM ET
i agree that at this point, it makes no sense to try to improve. their season is over and that's not even debatable. but they've got to get serious about bringing in someone who can really run the show there. i mean i feel like they're a few days away from dusting off John Muckler...
- DoubleDown


Pretty sure MacTavish would love to trade a few of his forwards for an experienced #1 D, but I'd say most #1 D (or potential #1D) all have NTC attached to their contract.

And let's be honest, who would accept a trade to Edmonton?
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
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Nov 27 @ 10:31 AM ET
Well he seems to be a point per game caliber player. And he is very young still.

I wonder how Seguin or Hall would do on the habs? And I mean had we originally drafted them. Patience with Galchenyuk may be a 'luxery' (as EE would describe) but I don't understand why other young players can break into the league and be so lethal.

Is it coaching or Galchenyuk just not being in the same category as Hall and Seguin?

- blarneylad


i don't think he's in the same category as those 2 unfortunately. i also don't think Galchenyuk shoots the puck nearly enough for a winger with his skill set. especially considering that he's not exactly playing with high class finishers.
stormey
Location: it is Babsy turning a boy into a man - JL0961
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Nov 27 @ 10:31 AM ET
Well he seems to be a point per game caliber player. And he is very young still.

I wonder how Seguin or Hall would do on the habs? And I mean had we originally drafted them. Patience with Galchenyuk may be a 'luxery' (as EE would describe) but I don't understand why other young players can break into the league and be so lethal.

Is it coaching or Galchenyuk just not being in the same category as Hall and Seguin?

- blarneylad

Caliber?

He has 143 points in his last 136 games.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
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Nov 27 @ 10:32 AM ET
I don't think anyone in the Galechnyuk draft was in the same category as Hall and Seguin.

Gally may end up being the second best player in the draft (behind Trouba...yeah...I went there) but what is his legit ceiling? 60-70 pretty consistently with maybe one big year where he tops 80?

- stormey


i think if Galchenyuk doesn't become a consistent 80 point player by the time he's 23-24, that will be a bit of a disappointment.
stormey
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Nov 27 @ 10:34 AM ET
i think if Galchenyuk doesn't become a consistent 80 point player by the time he's 23-24, that will be a bit of a disappointment.
- DoubleDown

I don't see it.

Not that he isn't going to be a very good player...but point a game players in the NHL usually end up in the top 10 in scoring.
l3ig_l2ecl
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Unfortunately, QC
Joined: 07.01.2009

Nov 27 @ 10:40 AM ET
I don't see it.

Not that he isn't going to be a very good player...but point a game players in the NHL usually end up in the top 10 in scoring.

- stormey

I tend to agree with you that he wont be a ppg player. At lease not on this team.

The only way he gets there is playing with Patches and another good winger. Gallagher I don't think is the answer either.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
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Nov 27 @ 10:40 AM ET
I don't see it.

Not that he isn't going to be a very good player...but point a game players in the NHL usually end up in the top 10 in scoring.

- stormey


yeah i guess that makes sense. id be happy if he ends up a 30 goal, 40 assist guy. he's slowly getting there. on pace for 50 this year.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Nov 27 @ 10:41 AM ET
i think if Galchenyuk doesn't become a consistent 80 point player by the time he's 23-24, that will be a bit of a disappointment.
- DoubleDown


Honestly, I don't think he has that kind of potential.

He'd be putting up a lot more points than he currently is. He's on pace for roughly 50pts.
blarneylad
Florida Panthers
Location: Tim , ON
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 27 @ 10:41 AM ET
I don't see it.

Not that he isn't going to be a very good player...but point a game players in the NHL usually end up in the top 10 in scoring.

- stormey

I can see him putting up 70-80

I mean, if Kessel can do it..
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Nov 27 @ 10:41 AM ET
I tend to agree with you that he wont be a ppg player. At lease not on this team.

The only way he gets there is playing with Patches and another good winger. Gallagher I don't think is the answer either.

- l3ig_l2ecl


this is true. he's never had the chance to play with the team's best offensive players.
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Nov 27 @ 10:43 AM ET
i think if Galchenyuk doesn't become a consistent 80 point player by the time he's 23-24, that will be a bit of a disappointment.
- DoubleDown


Could have more points this year...I saw Plekanec fan on a few perfect passes from Galchenyuk so far.

Also, Gallagher should not be the one carrying the puck into the offensive zone. He should just pass, and skate trying to stay open for a shot.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Nov 27 @ 10:46 AM ET
Could have more points this year...I saw Plekanec fan on a few perfect passes from Galchenyuk so far.

Also, Gallagher should not be the one carrying the puck into the offensive zone. He should just pass, and skate trying to stay open for a shot.

- stinger67


You could say that for every single player in the NHL not named Stephen Weiss.
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Nov 27 @ 10:46 AM ET
Honestly, I don't think he has that kind of potential.

He'd be putting up a lot more points than he currently is. He's on pace for roughly 50pts.

- Pecafan Fan


He's only 20...I think he'll turn out into a regular 70-80 pts guy

One thing that bugs me is that he's still not playing at centre.

Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Nov 27 @ 10:47 AM ET
He's only 20...I think he'll turn out into a regular 70-80 pts guy

One thing that bugs me is that he's still not playing at centre.

- stinger67


I'd say 60-70

so, in the 65pts range.
l3ig_l2ecl
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Unfortunately, QC
Joined: 07.01.2009

Nov 27 @ 10:47 AM ET
Could have more points this year...I saw Plekanec fan on a few perfect passes from Galchenyuk so far.

Also, Gallagher should not be the one carrying the puck into the offensive zone. He should just pass, and skate trying to stay open for a shot.

- stinger67


Gallagher is great to get in front of goalies and be in their faces, but the truth is, he's more of a third line player than a top line.

He's one of my favorites on the team, but not because of his skills. Because every other team hates his guts. Even I want to punch him in the face when he smiles during interviews...

Patches, 27, and another tallent. You got 80points
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Nov 27 @ 10:50 AM ET
I'd say 60-70

so, in the 65pts range.

- Pecafan Fan


that would be a disappointment.
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