What about shipping Bickell and Sharp away this offseason(both out of necessity, Bickell because he is bad) and then resigning Kruger(3 mil), Saad(3 mil), and Seabrook(5 mil) and then signing a free agent like Drew Stafford around 4 million per year for 4-5 years? Stafford is similar to a sharp, not quite as much offensive output but plays two-ways and has some size/strength down-low.

Thoughts anyone?
- Bjm84

If they sign Saad for 3 M and Seabs at 5m a statue of Stan Bowman should replace Michael Jordan's and the UC should be renamed Bowman's Man Cave.

ps: At least have the Ice Girls stop dressing like mimes and like cheerleaders again in honor of the signings.

Thats a pipe dream buddy. That being said, put the pipe down
- FourFeathers773

5 million a year for Seabrook? At 30? Sure, maybe he scraps out 6 million but he won't get more than that.

I love Marcus kruger but if he wants 3 million it's time to say goodbye.
- dumpchase

actually, I totally agree but I know JJ wouldn'.t...

Saad is making his rookie level contract. He will get a bridge contract, probably for 3-4 years I would think, that is also around 3-4x times his rookie contract.

No?

5 million a year for Seabrook? At 30? Sure, maybe he scraps out 6 million but he won't get more than that.
- Bjm84

You're honestly joking right?

30 is in the prime years for a dman for another 4-5 years

He is looking at 7+ EASY

Besides, hes already at 5.8 per, he isnt taking a paycut in his prime when other dmen are now getting 9+ now

You're honestly joking right?

30 is in the prime years for a dman for another 4-5 years

He is looking at 7+ EASY

Besides, hes already at 5.8 per, he isnt taking a paycut in his prime when other dmen are now getting 9+ now
- FourFeathers773

Anything under 8mil/yr will be under market value for Seabrook.

Saad is making his rookie level contract. He will get a bridge contract, probably for 3-4 years I would think, that is also around 3-4x times his rookie contract.

No?
- Bjm84

A "bridge" deal is usually 2 years. I'd guess between 3 and 4 mil/yr unless he lights the league up in these last 60 games.

Anything under 8mil/yr will be under market value for Seabrook.
- BreakoutHockey

Yea, suggesting Seabrook would take $5 per is laughable

Unless Stan has some dirty pictures of Seabrook we dont know about

You're honestly joking right?

30 is in the prime years for a dman for another 4-5 years

He is looking at 7+ EASY
- FourFeathers773

If he goes UFA and the cap goes up at all the next 2 years he could be higher $8-10m.

Even on a bridge deal Saad will blow past McGinn's deal in Colorado last year or Kreider's deal in NY. If he finishes strong may be they give him a 5-6 year deal for a lower long term AAV but that would still be $4m plus. Always depends on his play of course but he will be closer to $5m than $3m if he stays on his current pace. If he picks up his goal scoring than it will be another cap cruncher.

Is Saad represented by his parents? Can't find his agent via Google and think I recall reading that somewhere.

I am sure Seabrook and Saad will take hometown discounts, lol.

Just like Toews and Kane,

If he goes UFA and the cap goes up at all the next 2 years he could be higher $8-10m.

Even on a bridge deal Saad will blow past McGinn's deal in Colorado last year or Kreider's deal in NY. If he finishes strong may be they give him a 5-6 year deal for a lower long term AAV but that would still be $4m plus. Always depends on his play of course but he will be closer to $5m than $3m if he stays on his current pace. If he picks up his goal scoring than it will be another cap cruncher.

Is Saad represented by his parents? Can't find his agent via Google and think I recall reading that somewhere.
- tredbrta

Don't be so sure about these high salaries: if the cap doesn't go up as much as everyone thought last year, Seabrook won't get an $8MM offer, and Saad won't get close to $5MM.

The Looney is going to screw a lot of teams and a lot of players.

Don't be so sure about these high salaries: if the cap doesn't go up as much as everyone thought last year, Seabrook won't get an $8MM offer, and Saad won't get close to $5MM.

The Looney is going to screw a lot of teams and a lot of players.
- StLBravesFan

That's very possible. It's also possible that teams will dole out high salaries to players regardless of where the Looney or the cap are. Spezza just got an extension for 4 years with a cap hit of $7.5 million per season from Dallas. I wouldn't think that Spezza is worth that much.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out with the Looney, the Salary Cap, and player's salaries over the next couple of seasons.

Don't be so sure about these high salaries: if the cap doesn't go up as much as everyone thought last year, Seabrook won't get an $8MM offer, and Saad won't get close to $5MM.

The Looney is going to screw a lot of teams and a lot of players.
- StLBravesFan

Instead of using the Cdn$ as the sole reason for the cap staying the same or even dropping, you might want to broaden your horizon and look at the U.S. franchises that can't sell tickets or sell them for $25 with free hot dogs and Cokes. You know, great hockey markets like Florida, Arizona, New Jersey and even Detroit.

Every Canadian NHL arena is pretty much sold out every night at vastly higher ticket prices currency converted than these and other U.S.markets.

You're honestly joking right?

30 is in the prime years for a dman for another 4-5 years

He is looking at 7+ EASY

Besides, hes already at 5.8 per, he isnt taking a paycut in his prime when other dmen are now getting 9+ now
- FourFeathers773

ONE D-man has a cap hit of $9mil and that is Subban,

Other D-men that have signed since the new CBA went into effect are as follows:

Letand 7.25
Phaneauf 7.0
Pietranglo 6.5
Enstrom 5.75
Markov 5.75
Niskanen 5.75

Suter and Weber have cap hits of 7.5 - 7.8.

Sorry, Seabrook is NOT getting 8-10. He is not and has never been considered a Norris candidate, and he is not going to jump to the top of D-men salaries. He just is not.

You're honestly joking right?

30 is in the prime years for a dman for another 4-5 years

He is looking at 7+ EASY

Besides, hes already at 5.8 per, he isnt taking a paycut in his prime when other dmen are now getting 9+ now
- FourFeathers773

Alright, I digress.

ONE D-man has a cap hit of $9mil and that is Subban,

Other D-men that have signed since the new CBA went into effect are as follows:

Letand 7.25
Phaneauf 7.0
Pietranglo 6.5
Enstrom 5.75
Markov 5.75
Niskanen 5.75

Suter and Weber have cap hits of 7.5 - 7.8.

Sorry, Seabrook is NOT getting 8-10. He is not and has never been considered a Norris candidate, and he is not going to jump to the top of D-men salaries. He just is not.
- TheTrob

I would take Seas over any of these guys!

ONE D-man has a cap hit of $9mil and that is Subban,

Other D-men that have signed since the new CBA went into effect are as follows:

Letand 7.25
Phaneauf 7.0
Pietranglo 6.5
Enstrom 5.75
Markov 5.75
Niskanen 5.75

Suter and Weber have cap hits of 7.5 - 7.8.

Sorry, Seabrook is NOT getting 8-10. He is not and has never been considered a Norris candidate, and he is not going to jump to the top of D-men salaries. He just is not.
- TheTrob

Thank you for sharing this. If Weber/Suter have hits of 7.8 and PK Subban is the only 9 million candidate, I would say evidence suggest that Seabrook would command 5-7 years and somewhere in the Pietranglo $$ range for the reasons you described. I was low with my previous estimate but something like 6-7 mil is probably more accurate?

Thank you for sharing this. If Weber/Suter have hits of 7.8 and PK Subban is the only 9 million candidate, I would say evidence suggest that Seabrook would command 5-7 years and somewhere in the Pietranglo $$ range for the reasons you described. I was low with my previous estimate but something like 6-7 mil is probably more accurate?
- Bjm84

Would someone like Seabrook be willing to sign with a weak team that would be willing to overpay? That could inflate the salary.

Thank you for sharing this. If Weber/Suter have hits of 7.8 and PK Subban is the only 9 million candidate, I would say evidence suggest that Seabrook would command 5-7 years and somewhere in the Pietranglo $$ range for the reasons you described. I was low with my previous estimate but something like 6-7 mil is probably more accurate?
- Bjm84

BINGO

Thank you for sharing this. If Weber/Suter have hits of 7.8 and PK Subban is the only 9 million candidate, I would say evidence suggest that Seabrook would command 5-7 years and somewhere in the Pietranglo $$ range for the reasons you described. I was low with my previous estimate but something like 6-7 mil is probably more accurate?
- Bjm84

yea, you know the term on those contracts as well?

Pietrangelo is nice to want to compare to and all, but at the end of the day, that contract will have been given to pietrangelo 3 years before seabrooks new one. Also, pietrangelo hasnt won jack poop. Seabrook has a gold medal and is a top pairing dman with two stanley cups

Would someone like Seabrook be willing to sign with a weak team that would be willing to overpay? That could inflate the salary.
- EKolb13

That's the million dollar question(pun intended). Because nobody knows Seabrook either, it's also the most speculative one.

One would have to fathom he'd be willing to leave some $$ on the table being that that he has come up in the organization that has also provided a) one of the best fan bases in all of sports a) one of the best D pairing partners and C) two stanley cup rings and c) perennial opportunity to win the cup.

We shall see....

I would take Seas over any of these guys!
- powerenforcer

Thats not the Question.

It's a matter of comparables and D-men that have signed within the new CBA. As a GM Bowman will use those salaries as comparisons as setting a value for Seabrook. If Subban is at 9, seabrook is not getting 8-10. That was my point

ONE D-man has a cap hit of $9mil and that is Subban,

Other D-men that have signed since the new CBA went into effect are as follows:

Letand 7.25
Phaneauf 7.0
Pietranglo 6.5
Enstrom 5.75
Markov 5.75
Niskanen 5.75

Suter and Weber have cap hits of 7.5 - 7.8.

Sorry, Seabrook is NOT getting 8-10. He is not and has never been considered a Norris candidate, and he is not going to jump to the top of D-men salaries. He just is not.
- TheTrob

Don't take all of your cash and bet it in Vegas on that. The Edmonton Oilers don't have one good NHL defenceman on their roster and would pay large for anybody who resembles one, even if it means grossly overpaying. If Seabs is motivated only by money, he might just find his pot of gold in Edmonton. And his wife is from down the road in Calgary.

Instead of using the Cdn$ as the sole reason for the cap staying the same or even dropping, you might want to broaden your horizon and look at the U.S. franchises that can't sell tickets or sell them for $25 with free hot dogs and Cokes. You know, great hockey markets like Florida, Arizona, New Jersey and even Detroit.

Every Canadian NHL arena is pretty much sold out every night at vastly higher ticket prices currency converted than these and other U.S.markets.
- RickJ

Yes - but - Florida, Arizona, NJ, Detroit - problems have existed there for a long time - and STILL the cap was supposed to go to $72MM this year, and then $80MM within three years.

The current immediate problem is the Cdn$, which in January, 2013 was above parity, and in November (one year ago) was above $.95, and is now at just above $.88. That's a 7%+ drop in the value of the new Canadian TV contracts and arena revenues, which is what goes into the cap calculation.

Trust me - if you want to drop Florida, Arizona, and one or two other US non-hockey markets, I'm all for it. The current issue, however, is the Cdn$.

yea, you know the term on those contracts as well?

Pietrangelo is nice to want to compare to and all, but at the end of the day, that contract will have been given to pietrangelo 3 years before seabrooks new one. Also, pietrangelo hasnt won jack shxt. Seabrook has a gold medal and is a top pairing dman with two stanley cups
- FourFeathers773

Well you're also assuming that Seabrook is only using other NHL players and teams as a measuring stick. Maybe he uses his rational and compares his value to what his teammates are making, his opportunities to win, and his opportunity to stay where he has already established himself.

I don't care what you say, Seabrook is not a 10 million dollar player. He's not even 8 million. If he wants that much then let him walk. If I were Stan I would pony up until the 7.5 million dollar a year mark(give or take a few ticks). He's 30, he's only going to regress, he has never won or even been considered for Norris, has never made an All Star team, etc.

This all tells you that part of his success is predicated on who is around him(and vice versa).