There could be a market for him by the deadline. $3.37 mil cap hit isn't isn't that much. It is to the Penguins and other teams at the cap, but not to teams who have a little room. The league's opinion of Scuderi is also higher than that of Penguins' fans.
- hardnosed

how many of those teams with room are gonna be contenders enough to convince scuds to put them on his limited trade list?

Forget about the Big names, we have to get two guys out of this group: Perron, Tlusty, Stewart, Stafford, Fleischmann, N.Foligno and Jagr.

I can't believe I'm saying this but is Marchand available?
- Barnaby36

Sutter + Dumo for Perron
2nd + Archibald for Foligno (value may seem low but reminding myself Foligno is a UFA)

Perron-Sid-Hornqvist
Foligno-Malkin-Bennett
Kunitz-Goc-Downie
Comeau-Spaling-Adams/Megna

Tanger-Maatta
Hoff-Martin
Despres-Bortuzzo/Scuderi

(dont get your panties in a bunch about Kunitz on the third, just playing around and trying to strengthen the third line in the absence of Sutter)

I'd take all... not sure how many would be available
- ChrisMS

Some of those guys are in a logjam so its possible. Despres, in my eyes, has established himself enough for a really good return. I don't want to trade him, but at the end of the day...it'd be worth getting that type of winger on our team.

Forget about the Big names, we have to get two guys out of this group: Perron, Tlusty, Stewart, Stafford, Fleischmann, N.Foligno and Jagr.

I can't believe I'm saying this but is Marchand available?
- Barnaby36

perron ok
tlusty ok
stewart nah
stafford ok
fleishman... dunno... we already have Beau
foligno... yes please if C-BUS is out
jagr sure, but Mario would personally stab GMJR in the heart before that happened

Forget about the Big names, we have to get two guys out of this group: Perron, Tlusty, Stewart, Stafford, Fleischmann, N.Foligno and Jagr.

I can't believe I'm saying this but is Marchand available?
- Barnaby36

Pretty sure he is but can we fit his cap hit and do we really want him?

Sutter + Dumo for Perron
2nd + Archibald for Foligno (value may seem low but reminding myself Foligno is a UFA)

Perron-Sid-Hornqvist
Foligno-Malkin-Bennett
Kunitz-Goc-Downie
Comeau-Spaling-Adams/Megna

Tanger-Maatta
Hoff-Martin
Despres-Bortuzzo/Scuderi

(dont get your panties in a bunch about Kunitz on the third, just playing around and trying to strengthen the third line in the absence of Sutter)
- YouMeAndDupuis9

1st is a big overpayment
2nd one is an underpayment (remeember lots of team would be bidding that up)

Forget about the Big names, we have to get two guys out of this group: Perron, Tlusty, Stewart, Stafford, Fleischmann, N.Foligno and Jagr.

I can't believe I'm saying this but is Marchand available?
- Barnaby36

Been following the comments. As a Crosby Fan, I think the Pens should try to pry Smith-Pelley out of Anaheim. There's a hard-working, skilled and tough young player. He's taken on 1st line duties with Maroon out and in last year's playoffs, he was impressive when he got the chance to play.

If I'm the Oilers, I want to trade for veteran leadership if I'm putting guys like Ebs & Perron on the block. However, I do like Sutter, but our biggest needs are 1-2 D-men and a G.

Pretty sure he is but can we fit his cap hit and do we really want him?
- Victoro311

NOOOOO! We already have d-bag downie!

1st is a big overpayment
2nd one is an underpayment (remeember lots of team would be bidding that up)
- ChrisMS

Well then maybe Sutter (or add something very minor) for Perron
And then 2nd and Dumo for Foligno?

Bascially giving up the same assets...

Well then maybe Sutter (or add something very minor) for Perron
And then 2nd and Dumo for Foligno?

Bascially giving up the same assets...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

not sure we gain much from moving sutter. he is becoming a lynchpin of a third line threat. who takes over. goch? maybe. not spaling... if its for perron and oil continue to implode, than doumalin + mid pick might do it. remember, doumalin was rated in the mid fifties on top 100 prospects. I really not sure pens will be after two

Been following the comments. As a Crosby Fan, I think the Pens should try to pry Smith-Pelley out of Anaheim. There's a hard-working, skilled and tough young player. He's taken on 1st line duties with Maroon out and in last year's playoffs, he was impressive when he got the chance to play.

If I'm the Oilers, I want to trade for veteran leadership if I'm putting guys like Ebs & Perron on the block. However, I do like Sutter, but our biggest needs are 1-2 D-men and a G.
- haymac

DSP is a decent option. I'd consider a trade for him.

Any thoughts on the earlier proposal with EDM --- Letang and Sutter for Perron, Eberle, and Petry? Someone brought up Tanger has a LMC but lets pretend EDM isnt on that list...what do you think about value/needs from the Oilers perspective?

DSP is a decent option. I'd consider a trade for him.

Any thoughts on the earlier proposal with EDM --- Letang and Sutter for Perron, Eberle, and Petry? Someone brought up Tanger has a LMC but lets pretend EDM isnt on that list...what do you think about value/needs from the Oilers perspective?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Well, Tanger won't go to Edm so as much as I like him, that's not realistic.

I really don't know why Oiler management is so down on Petry. He's our best guy. He's playing in the 1st pairing but isn't up to that yet. He's really trying hard. Any contender who gets Petry and plays him as a 3-4 D will reap the rewards IMO.

I could let Perron go for Sutter but for Ebs, I'd like to get a stud D back---we'd have to add something to do that but we just need solid D so much.

Well, Tanger won't go to Edm so as much as I like him, that's not realistic.

I really don't know why Oiler management is so down on Petry. He's our best guy. He's playing in the 1st pairing but isn't up to that yet. He's really trying hard. Any contender who gets Petry and plays him as a 3-4 D will reap the rewards IMO.

I could let Perron go for Sutter but for Ebs, I'd like to get a stud D back---we'd have to add something to do that but we just need solid D so much.
- haymac

issue is a sud D > a stud winger. or even center. far fewer of them in the league.

issue is a sud D > a stud winger. or even center. far fewer of them in the league.
- ChrisMS

Well, that for sure. But a 3-4 D on a contender would be Oiler's #1 for sure. We've got a few good prospects coming along, but we need a vet. I'm really hoping Boychuk doesn't re-sign with NYI so we have a crack at a HomeTowner next summer.

If we could swing a deal for Sutter, that would help with C & we could send Draisaitl back for this year. I don't want him around this losing culture---it's toxic in Edm right now. Let him play in the Jr. Worlds and work on some things for next year.

It's going to be a real challenge to turn the ship around for the Oil and it will be interesting there in the next few months.

NOOOOO! We already have d-bag downie!
- ChrisMS

Marchand for Sid and Downie for Geno

Jokes aside I hate Marchand but he's effective. He'd be good for us.

Marchand for Sid and Downie for Geno

Jokes aside I hate Marchand but he's effective. He'd be good for us.
- Barnaby36

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, that for sure. But a 3-4 D on a contender would be Oiler's #1 for sure. We've got a few good prospects coming along, but we need a vet. I'm really hoping Boychuk doesn't re-sign with NYI so we have a crack at a HomeTowner next summer.

If we could swing a deal for Sutter, that would help with C & we could send Draisaitl back for this year. I don't want him around this losing culture---it's toxic in Edm right now. Let him play in the Jr. Worlds and work on some things for next year.

It's going to be a real challenge to turn the ship around for the Oil and it will be interesting there in the next few months.
- haymac

really doubt the pens trade any of their top 9 forwars... their depth is d-men... despres / doumalin/harrington would be our best trade chips..... Martin to a west coast contender

Only if there was a decent top 6 wing available last off season...coulda used erhoff money toward him and easily replaced erhoff with (insert one of six prospects here)

Only if there was a decent top 6 wing available last off season...coulda used erhoff money toward him and easily replaced erhoff with (insert one of six prospects here)
- jchst22

I think the penguins were wary of losing 3 experianced d-men (nisk/orpik/engyland) and replacing all of them with rookies. a fair argument could be made that that was a mistake (same as scuds deal) but that was part of the thinking I'm sure.

really doubt the pens trade any of their top 9 forwars... their depth is d-men... despres / doumalin/harrington would be our best trade chips..... Martin to a west coast contender
- ChrisMS

I was responding to the thread which had Sutter as a trade chip, but with the way he's playing, I don't think Pitt needs to do that. But I agree with Grapes. Sid need some effective winger on his line who could give him support and protection, whenever needed. DSP @ 220 could do that IMO. I'd love to see a RW like him or Brouwer on our 1st line with Hall/Nuge. Ebs is a sweet player, but too small. He needs to be on a line with a sizeable C and a big, fast LW.

I was responding to the thread which had Sutter as a trade chip, but with the way he's playing, I don't think Pitt needs to do that. But I agree with grapes. Sid need some effective winger on his line who could give him support and protection, whenever needed. DSP @ 220 could do that IMO. I'd love to see a RW like him or Brouwer on our 1st line with Hall/Nuge. Ebs is a sweet player, but too small. He needs to be on a line with a sizeable C and a big, fast LW.
- haymac

I'd like either one for sure. ANA is a tough trade partener... they have prospect depth in all areas. washington out of playoff ocntention would have lots of chips to cash out... could be the way to go. green, brouwer, ward, etc

I'd like either one for sure. ANA is a tough trade partener... they have prospect depth in all areas. washington out of playoff ocntention would have lots of chips to cash out... could be the way to go. green, brouwer, ward, etc
- ChrisMS

Ward is a UFA next year, so you might get him cheap now, considering that and his age. He'd be very effective with Sid for a couple of years at least.

I was responding to the thread which had Sutter as a trade chip, but with the way he's playing, I don't think Pitt needs to do that. But I agree with Grapes. Sid need some effective winger on his line who could give him support and protection, whenever needed. DSP @ 220 could do that IMO. I'd love to see a RW like him or Brouwer on our 1st line with Hall/Nuge. Ebs is a sweet player, but too small. He needs to be on a line with a sizeable C and a big, fast LW.
- haymac

I agree that a power forward is the optimal get. But Eberle is so superior in skill to guys like DSP/Brouwer/Ward/etc. I think the best thing to do might be to get Perron/Nino/Jurco skill guy and then a complimentary/cheaper player with size like the ones listed above.

The pens lineup, as-is, is simply more pretender than legitimate contender. The roster, prior to 9’s IR status, was soft (i.e. in terms of top 6 winger + bottom six contributors). Now that 9 is out, this softness is even more exposed. The current version of the Pens can be described as somewhat old and under-sized. My biggest gripe w/ the previous regime is the consistent absence of size and ELC youth… especially at forward position. Apparently the Pens brass hasn’t heard about ELC’s.

So as it stands, the team needs to trade assets in order to get them in return. God knows there’s no-one in the “forward pipeline” that is NHL ready. In looking at “returnable assets”, IMO, the only players on PGH’s roster that fit the bill are 14, 16, 19, 58, 3, and 7. The obvious trade candidate is 7; he’s an UFA and will most likely walk away at seasons end. Trade 7 now for a returnable asset (at wing). If the stable of youngsters at the AHL level is worth the hype, then trading 7 is agnostic, since these kids are capable of plug-and-play. A team needs to trade from a position of strength in order to close the gap on respective weaknesses. I would strongly test the market return for 14, 58, 3, 16 and 19. At the same time, I’d try everything up my sleeve to find a take for 4 AND would immediately waive 27 and 38. PGH needs 12 forward contributors…no dead weight roster spots.

Remember when LAK traded Schenn + Simmonds for Richards, ___________ and 2nd, or Jack Johnson and 1st for Jeff Carter?? Worked fairly well for LAK. My point is that status quo will not work for PGH; GMJR needs to be bold and brilliant (although I’m not sure if he’s capable of the latter)….

On a similar note, 47 should never be a healthy scratch, and his name should not be considered in trade talks. IMO, his ceiling is better than 3; better size, physicality, mobility, puck skills/ passing. As others have noted, 47’s size on the blue line is welcoming in PGH. The rest of the league is 6ft. +, but again the Pens didn’t get that memo. On size, I’d love to see a 6’3 winger (or two) upfront as well. It would be nice to see size take the puck to the front of the net instead of stopping along the half-wall and dishing to a trailer.

Anyone suspect 87 is physically hurt, as opposed to emotionally drained by 9’s absence? 1 goal in the past 11 is “off-pace”. What I find more disturbing, which leads me to believe he’s injured, is that his game is solely on the perimeter, along the wall. No puck possession, no drive to the net, no shots…. although a ton of dishing the puck to teammates or to open space…. Certainly not the $8.7M cap hit 87.

I agree that a power forward is the optimal get. But Eberle is so superior in skill to guys like DSP/Brouwer/Ward/etc. I think the best thing to do might be to get Perron/Nino/Jurco skill guy and then a complimentary/cheaper player with size like the ones listed above.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'd be ok dealing Perron for Sutter as that would help with our C issue. If Perron is going for a D, I'd prefer an experienced Dman, not a young guy---we really need some veteran leadership.
Don't sell DSP short---I'm keeping an eye on him as I think he has good top 6 potential.