Cheechoo is no longer a hot commodity because he lost the ability to score goals. How is that comparable to looking at Kopitar and Toews. Are they no longer top defensive forwards in the League?
- MJL

I am just saying the perception of their defensive prowess comes not only from their own skill, but the situation they are in (strong defensive teams with good checking wingers)

I am just saying the perception of their defensive prowess comes not only from their own skill, but the situation they are in (strong defensive teams with good checking wingers)
- aflyerpower8

They are two of the biggest reasons why both teams are so strong defensively.

Far more consistent scorer than Nik was. He doesn't look like it, but he's also a pretty hard worker.
- Jsaquella

what would you be willing to give up for kessel?

They are two of the biggest reasons why both teams are so strong defensively.
- MJL

Richards, Brown, Stoll, Doughty, Mithchell, Quick...

Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Crawford...

Pretty good supporting cast there.

what would you be willing to give up for kessel?
- stayinthefnnet

Umberger, VLC and my undying gratitude

Richards, Brown, Stoll, Doughty, Mithchell, Quick...

Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Crawford...

Pretty good supporting cast there.
- wolfhounds

Every good team has a good supporting cast. That does not make a player into a Selke level Forward.

Umberger, VLC and my undying gratitude
- BiggE

hmmm. whats the going rate for gratitude these days?

Kopitar is rated where he is defensively, simply because of how good he is defensively. How good is Couturier considered defensively on the Flyers?
- MJL

kopitar is incredible. for all of the grousing about the kings having such a good defensive scheme, he is one of, if not the biggest, reasons for that.

and if people are going to lament the fact that he plays in such a defensive system, then you have to turn around and acknowledge just how offensively talented he is to continuously be in that 70 point plus realm.

what would you be willing to give up for kessel?
- stayinthefnnet

Matt Read

So it looks like the Kings are getting LTIR cap relief for Voynov

Every good team has a good supporting cast. That does not make a player into a Selke level Forward.
- MJL

My point was those two teams - LA and Chi - have quite a few reasons why they are solid defensively beyond Toews and Kopitar, unless you're discounting the players I listed above.

My point was those two teams - LA and Chi - have quite a few reasons why they are solid defensively beyond Toews and Kopitar, unless you're discounting the players I listed above.
- wolfhounds

I agree with that. But it was really a comparison of individual players, not teams.

I agree with that. But it was really a comparison of individual players, not teams.
- MJL

Fair enough...that's what I get for jumping into a conversation...

I see Kimo as a coach in the future
- vejim

In Finland sure

Fair enough...that's what I get for jumping into a conversation...
- wolfhounds

That's what we're here for. Jump away. And if you want to move it in a different direction, why not? All about pucks.

I was just reading some of the comments on the main thread. Some of them are pretty funny.

So it looks like the Kings are getting LTIR cap relief for Voynov
- PhillySportsGuy

Yep. It's good to be the King(s)

Yep. It's good to be the King(s)


- Jsaquella

You look like the piss boy...

That's what we're here for. Jump away. And if you want to move it in a different direction, why not? All about pucks.

I was just reading some of the comments on the main thread. Some of them are pretty funny.
- MJL

Ek and his rumors...

Coburn and Edmonton rumors heating up again

You look like the piss boy...
- wolfhounds

And you look like a bucket of poop

Coburn and Edmonton rumors heating up again
- Just5

I'd do it for their first

I'd do it for their first
- aflyerpower8

Have to take advantage of them. They might be desperate to win some games They are scratching nikitin whose healthy.

I'd do it for their first
- aflyerpower8

I'd do it for Perron and a pick. I think Perron would really help the Flyers second line be more effective and it'd help the 2nd PP a lot.

I'd do it for Perron and a pick. I think Perron would really help the Flyers second line be more effective and it'd help the 2nd PP a lot.
- Jsaquella

Hurts the defense too much. This team's problem is defense. Not offense. I wouldn't give up a #2 NHL defenseman for a 2nd line Winger. Even if the pick was a 1st.

Flyers likely to go with 7 D tonight, per Dave Isaac-as long as Del Zotto feels well enough to play