Leaf nation gets a little defensive at times.
- The Law

The fans, not the team

I see mistake after mistake that has nothing to do with his partner, guys blowing by him, so it's his partners fault, standing around watching the puck go in the net, his partners fault, so on and so on.
- LeafMan

He's lazy, entitled and rarely willing to engage physically in front of the net... I don't care if this team needs to be blown up but they must find a way to move Phaneuf.

EXACTLY!!!!!



- Lee Denault

Phaneuf gone. Franson for captain!!

I think you're blowing this up more than the Toronto media, which is hard to do...
- Mr_Smokey

He he he...

No, actually I think the action, or non-action, itself was quite small but the reaction is fascinating to watch. There is certainly some public relations building needed or at least some level justification or explanation or else the media --- who will soon be seen as 100% on the fan's side and just use their bully pulpit to rile fans --- will continue to encourage bad blood and a "Us (Media and Fans) versus them (Players and Organization)" environment... and the public will eat it up. Not because they are simple or easily manipulated but they need something to focus their anger on.

Anyways, it certainly sells papers.

For me, the lack of a salute was pretty much a non-starter but if it comes out that it was planned... then I can see legitimate anger.

I see mistake after mistake that has nothing to do with his partner, guys blowing by him, so it's his partners fault, standing around watching the puck go in the net, his partners fault, so on and so on.
- LeafMan

I think part of that is because he trying to do to much and starts concentrating on making sure he's there to cover for others and the other part is because he's slow. I never understood why they took an offensive guy and are trying to use him as a defensive first guy. Be like using Kessel in a shutdown role and would make no sense.

He's lazy, entitled and rarely willing to engage physically in front of the net... I don't care if this team needs to be blown up but they must find a way to move Phaneuf.
- Mr_Smokey

Well we agree on that one!

I think this is central to the plan of improvement.

He's lazy, entitled and rarely willing to engage physically in front of the net... I don't care if this team needs to be blown up but they must find a way to move Phaneuf.
- Mr_Smokey

Gardiner-Franson as our top pairing

poop we would be too bad to even get McDavid they would give away our 1st just because we would be twice as bad as Buffalo

I think part of that is because he trying to do to much and starts concentrating on making sure he's there to cover for others and the other part is because he's slow. I never understood why they took an offensive guy and are trying to use him as a defensive first guy. Be like using Kessel in a shutdown role and would make no sense.
- Yeti1181

you mean grabovski-macarthur going onto third line shutdown vs krecji line ?

randy hasnt the slightest clue.

...What does Borderline NHL mean Yeti... is there another league between the A and N that I'm not aware of?
- Lee Denault

Some one playing in the AHL wouldn't be a borderline NHLer?

That's a slippery-slope.

One could, very easily, remove the word "media" and replace it with "players" and have an equally valid argument.

Just goes to show the level of trust and frustration. I mean, Kessel started this by insinuating that the current protest of throwing a jersey on the ice was this HUGE thing against the entire history of the Leafs, God and Country.

But I fear there will be a reckoning soon. Either firings or player trades made out of player demands or fan revolt.
- Beatle_john

As a Canuck fan you should realize that fans revolt/riot/run amuck when their team loses, not when they fail to wave their sticks in the air after a game.

I know some don't agree with me, that's fine. I see a collection of players that cannot win as a team.
- LeafMan

Okay so unload Phaneuf for our 2016 1st and Juhar Khaira

Look at the guys he's played with though and where they are now. I'm not a big phaneuf fan but he's had utter crap for partners and made them look decent. Franson is looking decent this year on top pair but last year could barely do anything on the bottom pair.
- Yeti1181

Amen.

It's pretty simple: name a single defence partner Dion Phaneuf has had with the Leafs who gets a regular shift in the NHL today.

There isn't one.

Pretty amazing, don't you think?

Okay so unload Phaneuf for our 2016 1st and Juhar Khaira
- Jeropotato

No 2015?

As a Canuck fan you should realize that fans revolt/riot/run amuck when their team loses, not when they fail to wave their sticks in the air after a game.
- Canada Cup

Some Canucks fans wave their sticks in the air when their team loses

Well we agree on that one!

I think this is central to the plan of improvement.
- Beatle_john

100%

He isn't 'bad'. But He's not going to get this team to the promise land.

I'm not in the dressing room. But since 90% of the league hates him fro some reason I assume he is not captain material.

Someone on CLB said 'Everyone hates you' To which Dion replied ' I've heard that one before'

Amen.

It's pretty simple: name a single defence partner Dion Phaneuf has had with the Leafs who gets a regular shift in the NHL today.

There isn't one.

Pretty amazing, don't you think?
- Atomic Wedgie

but dion is the #1 problem didnt you know?

cmon!! HOLZER!!! KOSTKA!!! AULIE!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen.

It's pretty simple: name a single defence partner Dion Phaneuf has had with the Leafs who gets a regular shift in the NHL today.

There isn't one.

Pretty amazing, don't you think?
- Atomic Wedgie

I must have imagined Gunnarsson for two years.

let the haters hate.

they wont change their opinion.

he aint the best D man, he aint the best captain

but hes a good d man - a lot better than avg

Lou was super high on Frattin - look where he is.

everyone sees things differently, but im with you, dion has played with #3-4 D men at best his entire career in TO, gunnersson being the only one who is 100% NHL caliber. Koskta (waived), Aulie (lol), Holzer (LOL), need i go on?

no biggy hes here for 7 years so they have a lot of hate left ahead
- Lucas Neilson

I understand why people dislike but I also don't get why the use him as they do, basically setting him up to fail.

Some one playing in the AHL wouldn't be a borderline NHLer?
- Yeti1181

....I think Ive said 4 times now Franson doesn't belong in the AHL.. Yet you gave me the ol'

Are you trying to confuse me?

I must have imagined Gunnarsson for two years.
- LeafMan

And Franson... He plays pretty regularly

I know some don't agree with me, that's fine. I see a collection of players that cannot win as a team.
- LeafMan

Theres a whole lot of problems on this team.

....I think Ive said 4 times now I dont think Franson belongs in the AHL.. Yet you gave me the ol'

Are you trying to confuse me?
- Lee Denault

And I said I didn't say ALL of his partners. The use of OR means one or the other.

Gardiner-Franson as our top pairing

poop we would be too bad to even get McDavid they would give away our 1st just because we would be twice as bad as Buffalo
- Lucas Neilson

Change the coach at the same time as moving Phaneuf.... a journeyman bottom pairing D would fill in just fine.

but dion is the #1 problem didnt you know?

cmon!! HOLZER!!! KOSTKA!!! AULIE!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Lucas Neilson

Yes. It is because of those guys.

Everyone time dion fumbles a puck. gives up on a play . gets beat to the net by smaller players. Its because of those guys.

I must have imagined Gunnarsson for two years.
- LeafMan

The guy playing bottom pairing on the Blues? Yet was on our top pair.