So much for trading defense to the Stars
- cap1681

But it was a defenseman for defenseman deal which is a little strange

I agree that we could use another top 6 winger, but right now this team leads the league in goals scored (per game), so it's not like that huge imbalance is hurting a lot. On a sidenote, the Pens are 4th in goals allowed, the best they've been in a long time.
- rival22

Just FYI -- we were also good at scoring goals in the regular season the past 5 years, but our stars are too easily shut down in the playoffs. And now we are without Dupuis. So I see your point, and we are not in a panic, but with no internal options... it does need addressed.

I'll miss most of the Pens game, but I will get to see Derrick Pouliot and Scott Harrington play live tonight. Oh... and Jayson Megna... who could forget Jayson Megna?
- rival22

Apparently GMJR?

Just FYI -- we were also good at scoring goals in the regular season the past 5 years, but our stars are too easily shut down in the playoffs. And now we are without Dupuis. So I see your point, and we are not in a panic, but with no internal options... it does need addressed.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I still think if we had a winger with size up front in our top six it could be a game changer. Bigger team give us problems. That's not to say coaching wouldn't help but lets face it the refs put their whistles in their pockets in the playoffs a lot.

Odd trade today! Demers and a third!?!

Scuderi going to Sharks now with a pick for Marleau.
- Conse

Haha yea, I bet thats why they traded an offensive defensive for a defensive defenseman....

I guess you could say the Sharks have more of a need for Martin now..

And Dallas, I think they will still need another D.


edit - i guess there are cap implications in that deal too.. Demers making 3.4, Dillon making 1.25.

Haha yea, I bet thats why they traded an offensive defensive for a defensive defenseman....

I guess you could say the Sharks have more of a need for Martin now..

And Dallas, I think they will still need another D.


edit - i guess there are cap implications in that deal too.. Demers making 3.4, Dillon making 1.25.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

SJS is retaining 35% of Demers' salary

Odd trade today! Demers and a third!?!
- Topshelf Mountain

That's more of a 'Saturday' thing, not Friday.

Plus i just got back from Cancun last week and my body is very, very mad at me for what i put it through.
- canadianpenfan

You are like a debauchery advent calendar.

No on rental vet players... sid geno letang have done more then most vets and should be looked at as vets in locker room

No on rentals except jags. Sorry want him to win a cup here and retire...

No on players who are inconsistent. I want young guys who give 100%. If we can't get them via trades then get them via ufa or draft..

This team has a lot of trade chips that can help the team not just this yr but the next few..

And for (frank)s sake hurry up and bring megna up for sill.. He hasn't show anyone anything except he is able to quickly move to different positions on the bench.. we need our 4th line to be able to play more than 3 mins a game and have chances to score just not be a shutdown line... ( watch now sill will get a point tonight lol)
- nh4442

Let me burst your bubble. Megna isn't comming up. He sucks.

But we are the only contender who is 10 deep with NHL defenseman...its really not apples to apples.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Yes, but they aren't all necessarily equal. When we get to April, I'd rather have Paul Martin back there than Brian Doumolin or Harrington.

Here's a tip.

If you're ever in Mexico and a local is with someone you want, or doing something you want, or if you just want to have a little fun...

Start a fight. Regardless of who starts it or who won if they see a fight between a local and a tourist the cops will take that little fella away in under 2 minutes.




- canadianpenfan

Unless they decide to throw you in jail until you bribe them to let you go...

Let me burst your bubble. Megna isn't comming up. He sucks.
- Grinder47

IDK, i just find it difficult to believe that there isnt 1 player in WB that isnt better than Adams or Sill. Terrible if true.

Just for you. Assumes a small bump in salary cap ($2.5 Mil), Dupuis retires (which is just my gut feeling) but if he doesn't the cap doesn't work, maybe Ehrhoff has to go, unless we can rid ourselves of Scuderi.

FORWARDS
Jamie Benn ($5.250m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Patric Hornqvist ($4.250m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Beau Bennett ($1.350m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Conner McDavid ($0.925m) / Kasperi Kapanen ($0.925m)
Nick Spaling ($2.200m) / Jayson Megna ($0.925m) / Blake Comeau ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($7.250m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Simon Despres ($0.900m) / Scott Harrington ($0.589m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.850m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($5.250m)
Rob Scuderi ($3.375m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.750m)
Matthew Murray ($0.620m)
LTIR
Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
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- PensFan1103

I can't imagine any circumstance (outside of a new owner buying the team and deciding he just didn't like guys named Jamie) in which Dallas would trade us Jamie Benn for Paul Martin.

Yes, but they aren't all necessarily equal. When we get to April, I'd rather have Paul Martin back there than Brian Doumolin or Harrington.
- Emperor Filonius

Well that is the question would you rather have Harrington on a bottom pairing AND a top 6 winger

OR

Martin on defense and Blake Comeau on the top line

Not saying on way or the other is the right way but you have to answer that question fairly first.

Let me burst your bubble. Megna isn't comming up. He sucks.
- Grinder47

Please leave. You bring nothing to any conversation on this board.

IDK, i just find it difficult to believe that there isnt 1 player in WB that isnt better than Adams or Sill. Terrible if true.
- sammy87

There are better options. Megna is better than Adams. Age and 1 way contracts play a big part in that.

Plus, while we do have better options, they aren't ready for the NHL yet, thats the unfortunate part. Ideally we fill the top 6 holes and bump Sill off the roster and Adams to the press box.

I can't imagine any circumstance (outside of a new owner buying the team and deciding he just didn't like guys named Jamie) in which Dallas would trade us Jamie Benn for Paul Martin.
- Emperor Filonius

I thought this whole thing was a joke? lol.

Kind of like how we are going to trade Malkin for the first overall in the offseason.

No, its not the Pirates method of thinking. It's just bucking the precedent that Shero has set from the last 8 years that its all about the now and nothing about the future. I'm trying to balance the "now" and the future.

Nick Spaling and Blake Comeau are in our top 6. There is a huge imbalance of depth between the defenseman and forwards. A legitimate top 6 forward would be a huge boost for Sid and/or Geno, hence it would be more than "marginally better". You can't just quantify losing Martin as a huge loss without recognizing a very considerable gain up front as well.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I think you have a better chance of netting a legitimate top 6 forward by trading a younger NHL ready defenseman for a younger NHL forward in return. Teams know Martin will be a UFA and won't want to give up as much for him.

I thought this whole thing was a joke? lol.

Kind of like how we are going to trade Malkin for the first overall in the offseason.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I haven't been following along closely enough today, but that makes sense, but you never know. lol

I think you have a better chance of netting a legitimate top 6 forward by trading a younger NHL ready defenseman for a younger NHL forward in return. Teams know Martin will be a UFA and won't want to give up as much for him.
- Emperor Filonius

That's a legitimate argument/discussion to be had.

My whole point is I would take either approach if it makes sense. I'm not throwing out the option of trading Martin. If the return isn't good , I'd definitely keep Martin for this season. Overall, I still prefer the Dumoulin + 2nd deal for a good young forward stuck in a logjam.

I haven't been following along closely enough today, but that makes sense, but you never know. lol
- Emperor Filonius

Very true! haha.

Well that is the question would you rather have Harrington on a bottom pairing AND a top 6 winger

OR

Martin on defense and Blake Comeau on the top line

Not saying on way or the other is the right way but you have to answer that question fairly first.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'd rather have Martin. On most nights he is their best, most consistent defenseman. He makes so many little plays that don't show up on the scoresheet that are really impactful on the game. Also, don't forget, if you insert Harrington on the bottom pairing, you also have to elevate someone to take Martin's minutes. I don't know if I trust a guy like Despres to do that yet.

But like you alluded to, I don't think its either or. I think you can trade a Doumolin etc for a young forward and plug in said young forward in Comeau's spot. I'm much more comfortable with a young guy playing forward in the playoffs and making a mistake in the offensive end than plugging in one of these young guys in Martin's spot.

That's a legitimate argument/discussion to be had.

My whole point is I would take either approach if it makes sense. I'm not throwing out the option of trading Martin. If the return isn't good , I'd definitely keep Martin for this season. Overall, I still prefer the Dumoulin + 2nd deal for a good young forward stuck in a logjam.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

yep. I think that's the way to go. Find a partner with too many forwards who needs a young defenseman...They dont need to make a huge splash and get an all star quality guy like Iginla etc, just someone that is an upgrade over Comeau and or Spalling.

Jagr would be perfect cost 3.500,000 give new jersey dumlion and a 2nd trade Martin to min for niño 2nd line jagr Malkin niño that line would scare me and plus having to shutdown Kuntiz Crosby hornquist yikes.