My wet dream is that the avs become desperate for defensive help and Rutherford plays hardball and says the only player we will trade for is mackinnon, he would be awesome on sid or genos wing

F RoR out a package together for Nathan mackinnon
- ImScore71

Well at least you and Palmer make me feel better on my trade proposals

Anyone know what ever happened to Canadianpensfan?

Martin to Dallas for Jaimie Benn. Pouliot and a 1st for E. Kane. Then during the draft we trade sutter, dumoulin, and 2 1sts for the 1st overall pick and get Mcdavid.

- canadianpenfan

Wow, impressive

Wow, impressive
- nbartley9

He's been lurking in the shadows, secretly coming to our rescue and banning trolls.

im a little scared to mention the name of the other guy that's been missing from here lately. I am afraid of what will happen.

im a little scared to mention the name of the other guy that's been missing from here lately. I am afraid of what will happen.
- nbartley9

Ha, yeah he's usually good for a days worth of crushing thoughts!

Martin to Dallas for Jaimie Benn. Pouliot and a 1st for E. Kane. Then during the draft we trade sutter, dumoulin, and 2 1sts for the 1st overall pick and get Mcdavid.
- drummer829

I don't think I'd do that, unless somehow you can get Chicago in and we can end up with Brandon Saad... I'll throw in Tangradi and Jeffrey if that helps.

im a little scared to mention the name of the other guy that's been missing from here lately. I am afraid of what will happen.
- nbartley9

Beetlejuice
Beetlejuice
Beetlejuice!

In each of those scenarios, trading Martin decreases the chances of winning a Cup in June.

That's why he's not going to be traded.
- hardnosed

+1000. If contenders want Martin, that should be telling everyone that martin is a component we need to try to retain for a cup run, and if we lose him at season end so be it. We have oodles of young talented defensemen with which to make a trade for a young forward. Time to cash in those chips.

Wow, impressive
- nbartley9

Don't be too impressed, odds are he just rolled out of a roadside gutter outside some Alberta strip club...well, come to think of it I guess that would still be impressive

Somewhat tangential to the topic: the logic of "you have to get something in return for your assets if they're going to leave" argument is somewhat valid. However, it was much more valid of an argument 10 years ago than it is now. In a no-cap league, getting a return on assets is paramount when they're going to walk. But in a capped league where you're near the cap every year, cap space is a return on that asset by itself.

Granted, yes... a player/prospect/pick in return PLUS the cap space is a better return on your assets, however the cap space itself is sometimes just as valuable as the asset itself. But now you're arguing about the quantity of returned assets that you're getting back rather than an argument about "getting something in return vs getting nothing in return".

Don't be too impressed, odds are he just rolled out of a roadside gutter outside some Alberta strip club...well, come to think of it I guess that would still be impressive
- Emperor Filonius

That's more of a 'Saturday' thing, not Friday.

Plus i just got back from Cancun last week and my body is very, very mad at me for what i put it through.

+1000. If contenders want Martin, that should be telling everyone that martin is a component we need to try to retain for a cup run, and if we lose him at season end so be it. We have oodles of young talented defensemen with which to make a trade for a young forward. Time to cash in those chips.
- Emperor Filonius

But we are the only contender who is 10 deep with NHL defenseman...its really not apples to apples.

That's more of a 'Saturday' thing, not Friday.

Plus i just got back from Cancun last week and my body is very, very mad at me for what i put it through.
- canadianpenfan

Cancun truly is a magical place, with magical tequila that magically confiscates your memories

Cancun truly is a magical place, with magical tequila that magically confiscates your memories
- BulliesPhan87

Magical, yea that's it.

There is a crazy club there called Coco Bongos that is going to remember CPF's visit for quite some time and they only have themselves to blame.

$75 to get in and drink all night?

Big mistake Mexico, big mistake.

Somewhat tangential to the topic: the logic of "you have to get something in return for your assets if they're going to leave" argument is somewhat valid. However, it was much more valid of an argument 10 years ago than it is now. In a no-cap league, getting a return on assets is paramount when they're going to walk. But in a capped league where you're near the cap every year, cap space is a return on that asset by itself.

Granted, yes... a player/prospect/pick in return PLUS the cap space is a better return on your assets, however the cap space itself is sometimes just as valuable as the asset itself. But now you're arguing about the quantity of returned assets that you're getting back rather than an argument about "getting something in return vs getting nothing in return".
- ScienceJesus

For a cap ceiling contending team, I never understood the idea that you needed to get something for a pending UFA. If you are going to miss the playoffs, then by all means, do what you can to get something.

But if the pending UFA is a good player, let him play out the year and have him help you win. I said it before, I was happy that the Pens signed Paul Martin for 5 years, and would rather have him play 5 full years than 4 3/4 years and get a couple draft picks or whatever.

Unfortunately, the days of trading away someone's rights after the season seem over. That was always a good way to gets something for a player leaving.

But we are the only contender who is 10 deep with NHL defenseman...its really not apples to apples.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

10 deep doesn't really mean anything, we are only like 3-4 deep as far as Paul Martin-caliber defensemen.

Magical, yea that's it.

There is a crazy club there called Coco Bongos that is going to remember CPF's visit for quite some time and they only have themselves to blame.

$75 to get in and drink all night?

Big mistake Mexico, big mistake.
- canadianpenfan

well, good to hear you made it back across the border in one piece

err, borders

Somewhat tangential to the topic: the logic of "you have to get something in return for your assets if they're going to leave" argument is somewhat valid. However, it was much more valid of an argument 10 years ago than it is now. In a no-cap league, getting a return on assets is paramount when they're going to walk. But in a capped league where you're near the cap every year, cap space is a return on that asset by itself.

Granted, yes... a player/prospect/pick in return PLUS the cap space is a better return on your assets, however the cap space itself is sometimes just as valuable as the asset itself. But now you're arguing about the quantity of returned assets that you're getting back rather than an argument about "getting something in return vs getting nothing in return".
- ScienceJesus

Agreed. I also feel it's different when the player came via free agency instead of a homegrown talent. Martin was signed as a UFA to a 5 year contract to try and put us over the top for another cup. What's wrong with just having him play out his 5 years we signed him for, in hopes of having him bolster our defense to a championship level. End of the year his 5 years is up, we let him walk and one of our young studs takes his roster spot at 1/5th the cap space.

In my opinion "losing him for nothing" applies more for homegrown talent. I.E- letting Letang go else where UFA would sting more as we drafted and developed him. A guy you signed as a UFA, leaving as a UFA iNt too bad. Sure you "lost him for nothing", but in reality you got him for nothing in the first place.

This season our team has a better shot winning with Martin than without him. You ride him out, hope for a cup, give his spot to Harrington or Pouliot next season.

Magical, yea that's it.

There is a crazy club there called Coco Bongos that is going to remember CPF's visit for quite some time and they only have themselves to blame.

$75 to get in and drink all night?

Big mistake Mexico, big mistake.
- canadianpenfan

More expensive than I remember it, but I guess that was 13 years ago. The funniest thing about that place was if you happened to see any girls dancing by themselves, or just a group of girls. If you blinked somehow some local would appear from nowhere and be right up on them. It was so funny, you would just be like damn where did that dude come from, I don't even think he was in the club when the guy previously dancing stepped away. And any girl, not just the hot ones.

I'm calling a Zack Sill goal tonight... I feel it...

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Samuelsson and a 4th for Jeremy Morin.

I'm calling a Zack Sill goal tonight... I feel it...
- rival22

Take a cash bet on that?