Yeah, we know another possession god, don't we?

Condra, top-line winger

- Mr_Clean

He's just snakebitten in the offensive column as well. It will come.

Well, also Spezza just got signed. And while it doesn't matter any more, obviously the people who said Spezza wouldn't take less than 7.5 million for 7 years were wrong.

So not that it matters, but I told most of you all so.
- Mr_Clean

I like at one point in time you and I disagreed on almost every topic discussed here.

Dallas is putting together a good team. Not incredibly difficult to acquire or develop depth with the correct people at the helm. It is difficult to acquire stars like Benn, Seguin, and Spezza. They aren't going to contend this year, but could in a year or two.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Tell that to the oilers.

Yeah, we know another possession god, don't we?

Condra, top-line winger

- Mr_Clean

The difference is Condra just prevents shots, whereas Turris both Prevents and Generates shots.

Apparently I cannot discuss Turris without it being an agenda for being pro Spezza. So i guess you're all stuck with it.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

So let's recap:
First you talk about how great the Spezza deal was for Dallas, and how glorious Ottawa would have looked if they had managed to do the same. Then, in the very next post, you bash Turris for "his lack of production" and not being a true #1 C-man...
That was just brilliant Gord, and also predictable as an atomic clock.

You obviously put a high premium on "point production". Nothing wrong with that of course. That's how you win games. But point production becomes rather irrelevant if you don't pay any attention to stopping point production going in the opposite direction.

I think some of us were thinking quite a bit about net production last season, and that's why I hesitate to call Spezza a more valuable #1 than Turris (i.e. as a team player, not market value). Spezza was on a ppg pace for most of last season, but he was also on pace for losing in all game states except PP. Turris is at least breaking even, even with the slow start we've seen so far. That gives our other lines a chance to draw easier QoC and come out on top. So I'm less worried now than I would be with Spezza still hanging around as a 7.5m anchor.

And by the way: this guy had a slightly better net production than Spezza @5v5 last season. Crazy.

The difference is Condra just prevents shots, whereas Turris both Prevents and Generates shots.
- TommyDeVito

Yeah, yeah, c'mon Tommy, I'm just being a jerk here obviously.

I like at one point in time you and I disagreed on almost every topic discussed here.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Yeah, I know, strange to think...

I think I agree with this. Lazar appears to be a really complete player. Not elite at any one skill, but really good all around. I think his ceiling might be higher than Mika. This may be just optics, but I'm not sure that Mika has the work ethic that he needs to be top 6. Seemed out of shape at the start of the season, and doesn't seem emotionally invested, at all. That's just my perspective as a fan. Have no idea if it's true or not.
- Stringer74

agree about Lazar's ceiling looking higher than Zibanejad. If the underlined above is true then Sens seriously need to think about trading him while his value is still very high.

EK's play in his zone is a total gong show - he was responsible for about 5 glorious scoring chances from weak play. He also had a shift were ottawa had an odd man rush and he floated back to the bench gliding when if he hustled we could of added and attacker to the play do we need to bring Alfie in to show how and NHL Captain hustles ion EVERY PLAY? I don't know what's with Karlsson, he's so non-chalant I can't tell if he's overworked, disinterested or doesn't know how to defend.....
- tuna99

1) Daniel Alfredsson was 22.5 when he started his first NHL season (23.5 when he won rookie of the year). Alfie (my favorite player) was 26.5 years when he became captain. Karlsson was 22 when he won his Norris Trophy (already 149 career points). Just turned 24 and gets the "C".

2) Karlsson will HAVE to grow into this role bcuz (read tuna's quote before underline). Defensive game has to return and grow. He can't be a minus player (and I don't think he will) in a year or two.

3) Zibanejad / Neil / line combos: Neil isn't going anywhere. You see that cr@p that happened with turris yday? That's exactly why neil is on this team. Presence, Leadership, IMO this is so underrated and actually made me question what team some sens fans here are watching. Having said that, I get the speed/age factor. Zibanejad IMO should play wing bcuz he doesn't shoot enough and doesn't carry the puck well up the ice. Also he's a big body that can throw big his (vs preds). Lazar is better at C!

So let's recap:
First you talk about how great the Spezza deal was for Dallas, and how glorious Ottawa would have looked if they had managed to do the same. Then, in the very next post, you bash Turris for "his lack of production" and not being a true #1 C-man...
That was just brilliant Gord, and also predictable as an atomic clock.

You obviously put a high premium on "point production". Nothing wrong with that of course. That's how you win games. But point production becomes rather irrelevant if you don't pay any attention to stopping point production going in the opposite direction.

I think some of us were thinking quite a bit about net production last season, and that's why I hesitate to call Spezza a more valuable #1 than Turris (i.e. as a team player, not market value). Spezza was on a ppg pace for most of last season, but he was also on pace for losing in all game states except PP. Turris is at least breaking even, even with the slow start we've seen so far. That gives our other lines a chance to draw easier QoC and come out on top. So I'm less worried now than I would be with Spezza still hanging around as a 7.5m anchor.

And by the way: this guy had a slightly better net production than Spezza @5v5 last season. Crazy.

- Fjodor

I like how people call my posts predictable. Then the same people post how possession and defensive 5 on 5 play is the way to go over and over. We are both guilty.
I have yet to see anyone prove how Turris is a #1 centre right now other than the obvious point that he is playing in that position. That's all I am getting at. If fans are fine with the status quo with a mediocre team then that's fine. Frankly, I'm aiming higher. Forget the (frank)ing Spezza angle, let's just see Turris take another step. Or zibby take another step. We won't go anywhere until that happens. Quit digging into the barrel of stats that were created by bored mathematicians who happened to like hockey. There is no reason why a player like turris can't produce more and play the way he currently is playing. Is there actually something wrong with that opinion?

Zibanejad isn't gonna improve playing center , he is trying to setup his wingers more and not using his wicked shots , and those who think he's playing better then Lazar with Hoffman n Stone stop kidding yourself .... Lazar would would play better then Zibby on the 2nd line with hoof n stone.
Cowen is playing great from what iM seeing he on the puck more and in plays a lot more , I'm really liking what him and Ceci and doing right now .. 2nd pairing for years to come
Spezza is worth 7.5mill just so all you haters know ya say he isn't but I think he will still be a PPG player even with his fked up back yes his defEnsive skill might not get any better but come on either will Karlssons lol.
Now my personal lineup would be

Mac Turris Ryan
Hoffman Lazar Stone
Zibanejad Legwand Chiasson
Michalek Smith Neil

Boro Karlsson
Cowen Ceci
Phillips Gryba