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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 21 @ 11:28 AM ET
The Flyers should just start treating RJ like Milton from Office Space.

"Yeah, RJ, if you could just move your gear to the parking garage so that we can use that locker stall you're occupying, that'd be great....."

- johndewar

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 21 @ 11:30 AM ET
I agree. It seems a weirdly insincere gesture to me.
- johndewar


It would be a lot funnier if at the end of each victory, they all pulled a Ned Braden! You know, strip down to skates and a jockstrap while skating around and waving to burlesque music.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:30 AM ET
stick salutes are doofy
- BulliesPhan87


Win the Cup, leave the (stick) salutes to the military.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
I personally don't want to move any of 5-10-12-14-15-17-24-28-49-93 altho no one is untouchable if the deal is right of course.



J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
Alex Semin makes more money than Vinny Lecavalier.

I wouldn't necessarily pursue that deal, but if one were to pursue that deal, I'd expect Carolina to eat salary or send something else our way to make up for the extra salary hit.

- johndewar



I was just thinking as a way to get a productive winger and move Vinny. Then next year if he wants to leave for KHL you let him then use that cap for better
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
It would be a lot funnier if at the end of each victory, they all pulled a Ned Braden! You know, strip down to skates and a jockstrap while skating around and waving to burlesque music.
- BiggE

not a good scenario for a player who likes to grab butts
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:34 AM ET
I was just thinking as a way to get a productive winger and move Vinny. Then next year if he wants to leave for KHL you let him then use that cap for better
- J35Bacher


It's not a bad idea. Semin is just not my brand of vodka, as it were, although I admit that I haven't followed him much since he left (or, was jettisoned) from Washington.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
Just some questions for debate.


Per Dreger: “Quietly, the criticism on Cheveldayoff is that he doesn’t make trades. He doesn’t make trades: player-for-player type of trades. And Winnipeg is a team that definitely needs some help on the back end. I’m sure they would like to add a bit more jam and a bit more upside to their top nine forwards. Most NHL teams are looking for that type of player.

If out of it at the deadline, would you trade Coburn and Read to WPG for 1st roudner, rights to Alex burmistrov and Nikolja Ehlers?


Also Alex Semin has been a healthy scratch in Carolina. WOuld you trade Vinny to Carolina for Semin straight up?

- J35Bacher


Winnipeg wouldn't trade Burmistrov and Ehlers straight up for Coburn and Read, let alone throwing in a 1st rounder.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 11:36 AM ET
I agree in general with what you have said, but watching the game last night makes me think Laughton and Couturier may not have the exact same skill set. Laughton is MUCH faster than Couturier and at least last night shows more offensive upside, while Couturier is a better defender. I'd like to see what Laughton brings over a chunk of the season before I agree with the idea that Laughton and Couturier bring the same skill set.
- ManCity


I know I'm in the minority, I just don't think you'd get quite enough offense with G-Couts-Laughton.

Plus, at some point you gotta give a little to get a little. I'd rather have a LW at least as talented as those guys vs. the dozen centers we have on the team.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:38 AM ET
I know I'm in the minority, I just don't think you'd get quite enough offense with G-Couts-Laughton.

Plus, at some point you gotta give a little to get a little. I'd rather have a LW at least as talented as those guys vs. the dozen centers we have on the team.

- TheGreat28

if only the Flyers could draft Dmen like centers
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 11:40 AM ET


Also Alex Semin has been a healthy scratch in Carolina. WOuld you trade Vinny to Carolina for Semin straight up?

- J35Bacher


I was actually thinking of this yesterday. Ironically, Semin might be just the kind of guy that Vinnie would need to really get going.

I'd consider a deal that would send additional salary back to Carolina and get us a pick back. Like include Grossmann and get back a 2nd rounder.

But long-term, carrying Semin could be problematic when Jake's deal is up (and others). But just maybe you could motivate Semin enough to turn him into an asset to be flipped later.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 11:40 AM ET
if only the Flyers could draft Dmen like centers
- vejim


Maybe they've turned the corner on that one
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:41 AM ET
I know I'm in the minority, I just don't think you'd get quite enough offense with G-Couts-Laughton.

Plus, at some point you gotta give a little to get a little. I'd rather have a LW at least as talented as those guys vs. the dozen centers we have on the team.

- TheGreat28


I'd rather just address it through the draft. Lot of top-flight forwards in the 2015 class... many of them will probably be NHL-ready in 1-2 seasons.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:41 AM ET
I know I'm in the minority, I just don't think you'd get quite enough offense with G-Couts-Laughton.

Plus, at some point you gotta give a little to get a little. I'd rather have a LW at least as talented as those guys vs. the dozen centers we have on the team.

- TheGreat28



Laughton is unknown. Giroux is one of the top scoring players in the entire league. Couturier produced at 2nd line center level at ES last year.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:42 AM ET
Winnipeg wouldn't trade Burmistrov and Ehlers straight up for Coburn and Read, let alone throwing in a 1st rounder.
- TheGreat28


Such a downer.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 21 @ 11:42 AM ET
Winnipeg wouldn't trade Burmistrov and Ehlers straight up for Coburn and Read, let alone throwing in a 1st rounder.
- TheGreat28


That is what makes the TDL great. If WPG is in the playoffs and need top 9 forward and top 4 dman then they will have to pay. Some people think Read is untouchable. I was just presenting a theory where I don't see it
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:42 AM ET
It's not a bad idea. Semin is just not my brand of vodka, as it were, although I admit that I haven't followed him much since he left (or, was jettisoned) from Washington.
- johndewar



Isn't his cap hit like 7M?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 11:43 AM ET
SJ has d issues. I've offered coburn for their 1st. I'll advise what happens
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:44 AM ET
It would be a lot funnier if at the end of each victory, they all pulled a Ned Braden! You know, strip down to skates and a jockstrap while skating around and waving to burlesque music.
- BiggE


Then, sportswriters would wring their hands over how the players stripped and if they did so with the proper amount of intensity and vigor. All of the reading of body language during the strip tease would just be awkward.

Also, if other teams did this, you'd have pissing contests over who has the classiest strippers on the team.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:44 AM ET
Isn't his cap hit like 7M?
- MJL


Yup. For this season and 3 more.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 11:47 AM ET
Yup. For this season and 3 more.
- johndewar


Awful. Want nothing to do with him
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:47 AM ET
If out of it at the deadline, would you trade Coburn and Read to WPG for 1st roudner, rights to Alex burmistrov and Nikolja Ehlers?
- J35Bacher


I'd do Read for Burmi straight up, if WPG would take it.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 21 @ 11:51 AM ET
Yup. For this season and 3 more.
- johndewar



Oh good lord, I would beat Hextall with the same bat I want to be Homer with if he makes any deal to bring him in
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Nov 21 @ 11:51 AM ET
The Flyers should just start treating RJ like Milton from Office Space.

"Yeah, RJ, if you could just move your gear to the parking garage so that we can use that locker stall you're occupying, that'd be great....."

- johndewar


"But.. but but... you already told me to move into the basement.. Mr Snider said I could... could... could have a spot in the basement, and then he moved me into the parking garage.. and I told him I don't want to be in the parking garage because there's bats and bugs... and if they move me again, I'm gonna burn the building down"
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 11:51 AM ET
I'd rather just address it through the draft. Lot of top-flight forwards in the 2015 class... many of them will probably be NHL-ready in 1-2 seasons.
- Tomahawk


Fair enough. And forwards do develop faster than Dman.

But considering the Flyers very well might have a pick in the 5-10 range, would you rather have:

G - Strome - Couts/Laughton down the middle and an Ehlers (for example, or bigger) wing acquired from the other of Couts/Laughton

G - Couts - Laughton and a LW acquired in draft.

There seems to be a glut of centers this year, and not as much on left side.

I really want Strome if they're picking high.
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