On twitter, Toperzer suggested that with the Cap problems the Blackhawks have, that Saad may be available, due to him looking for a new contract this summer.
- cap1681

Or just wait until the summer & try to offer-sheet the guy. They won't be in any better position then because they won't be willing to seriously consider dumping a productive top-6 guy that is helping like Sharp before making a run at it. They'll play out the season, try to improve rather than prep for next year, and do what they can to clear cap space between the end of the season and July 1st.

Unless they can find a taker for Hossa (which I believe they've been doing for a year or 3 now) and his contract.

The Pens should go out and get a young winger for now. That is obvious. They cannot keep playing with Sill. He just can't play. Holding your own, just barely, is not good enough on a contending roster. If you were to get a younger player and then feel the need for something else, a guy like Erik Cole or Glencross might come cheap later in the season.

Calgary is bound to regress and Dallas has no need for Cole anymore. Both provide experience and a good shot from the left side. Could play with either Geno or Sutter.

The Pens should go out and get a young winger for now. That is obvious. They cannot keep playing with Sill. He just can't play. Holding your own, just barely, is not good enough on a contending roster. If you were to get a younger player and then feel the need for something else, a guy like Erik Cole or Glencross might come cheap later in the season.

Calgary is bound to regress and Dallas has no need for Cole anymore. Both provide experience and a good shot from the left side. Could play with either Geno or Sutter.
- usethe1-2-2

cole reminds me of worse, older brenden morrow... no thanks. We don't need experience, we have most our key players around 10 years in the NHL. We need players who can contribute and play their roles

cole reminds me of worse, older brenden morrow... no thanks. We don't need experience, we have most our key players around 10 years in the NHL. We need players who can contribute and play their roles
- znagle

Cole is just a scorer, that's all. If you want depth and you can get him cheap he fills a need. You also don't make a move for a guy like that till the deadline anyway. By then you would hope your roster is filling out better.

cole reminds me of worse, older brenden morrow... no thanks. We don't need experience, we have most our key players around 10 years in the NHL. We need players who can contribute and play their roles
- znagle

I hate Cole... Beside the fact that he's old and injury prone, he's a jackass. Even after scoring 35 goals for them, Montreal couldn't get him out of town fast enough the next season.

The Hawks will need a 2nd line C next year as Brad Richards is on a 1yr deal. I was thinking Sutter's $3.3M isn't a bad value for that role, but I do see your point. They'd still have to move some other salary around.

Regardless, its a pipe dream for the Hakws to trade Saad. Would be nice though...
- s0rcerer1984

Teravainen should slot in there next season. I just think Sharp and/or Bickel are easier guys to replace. With the Toews & Kane deals, they are going to be thin for a couple of years, we've been down that road. Hopefully for them, they have a better stocked prospect pipeline than we did.

Teravainen should slot in there next season. I just think Sharp and/or Bickel are easier guys to replace. With the Toews & Kane deals, they are going to be thin for a couple of years, we've been down that road. Hopefully for them, they have a better stocked prospect pipeline than we did.
- rival22

Jumping from the AHL to NHL 2C on a Cup contending team is a tall order for a 20yr old kid. Maybe he can do it, but if I were the Hawks I'd want a back-up plan for that role.

Teravainen should slot in there next season. I just think Sharp and/or Bickel are easier guys to replace. With the Toews & Kane deals, they are going to be thin for a couple of years, we've been down that road. Hopefully for them, they have a better stocked prospect pipeline than we did.
- rival22

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Bickell's name has come up a lot. I'm not sure I like that contract though.
I haven't heard anything on Cole's lockerroom presence, I was spitballing cheap fill ins that would be last minute and I know he and JR have history and dallas would deal him for old potato chips.

Perron is top dog for me. He just plays the game right. I don't think he will be dealt though.

Jumping from the AHL to NHL 2C on a Cup contending team is a tall order for a 20yr old kid. Maybe he can do it, but if I were the Hawks I'd want a back-up plan for that role.
- s0rcerer1984

I agree... but having Hossa or Kane on that line helps out a lot. Either way, they have a lot of decisions to make between now and next September. They are going to have some holes on their roster next season.

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Bickell's name has come up a lot. I'm not sure I like that contract though.
I haven't heard anything on Cole's lockerroom presence, I was spitballing cheap fill ins that would be last minute and I know he and JR have history and dallas would deal him for old potato chips.

Perron is top dog for me. He just plays the game right. I don't think he will be dealt though.
- usethe1-2-2

I read a couple things on Cole in Montreal, and how Bergeven just wanted to get him out of that room. And him "threatening" to retire after the last CBA was done (in the middle of a $18 mil contract) just annoyed me. JR's history with him scares me lol

I agree about Perron. I'm all for that...

Cole is just a scorer, that's all. If you want depth and you can get him cheap he fills a need. You also don't make a move for a guy like that till the deadline anyway. By then you would hope your roster is filling out better.
- usethe1-2-2

He hasn't put up any points for three years... I'd rather use megna over him come deadline time anyway

He hasn't put up any points for three years... I'd rather use megna over him come deadline time anyway
- znagle

That's if Megna can make the jump to a full time NHL'er. I like Megna too but he has to show he can stay and produce.

I read a couple things on Cole in Montreal, and how Bergeven just wanted to get him out of that room. And him "threatening" to retire after the last CBA was done (in the middle of a $18 mil contract) just annoyed me. JR's history with him scares me lol

I agree about Perron. I'm all for that...
- rival22

I never heard anything on Cole like that so if true, that rules him out for me. No room for a selfish player on this club. We can't afford that anymore.

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Bickell's name has come up a lot. I'm not sure I like that contract though.
I haven't heard anything on Cole's lockerroom presence, I was spitballing cheap fill ins that would be last minute and I know he and JR have history and dallas would deal him for old potato chips.

Perron is top dog for me. He just plays the game right. I don't think he will be dealt though.
- usethe1-2-2

Bickell would likely be the best to move, but he also just re-signed this past offseason. GM's are usually relectant trade a guy the just re-signed as future UFA's don't look kindly on that kind of thing.

[quote=hardnosed]Just trying to be somewhat realistic, sorry. It takes assets to get assets. Folks can believe that our worst D prospects will bring back a quality winger, but that's just not the case.

this part is true, the homers think the lowest D prospect will bring some up and coming winger on an ELC , just not true

Although we have the depth in D to get one , is it worth the risk of our future D ? Not sure but I'd like to see JR do something !

I think the "we can't trade our worst D-prospect for their best F-prospect" people have a point, but they also fail to look at it from a relative perspective.

if your 4th best D-prospect is as good as or better than their best F-prospect, then all you need to give up is your 4th best D-prospect. It's all about relative value. Players are commodities. And like commodities, if you've got a 5 piles of gold of differing sizes and someone else has 5 piles of silver of differing sizes, you don't trade for the proportionally similar sized piles. You trade for equal value. Not equal place on an organizational depth chart.

And considering that D and C are considered gold in the NHL while F are more like silver, you might only need to give up one of your smaller sized piles of gold for their biggest pile of silver. Because that's what the market values them at.

Spaling, Nick » $2,200,000 $2,200,000
Scuderi, Rob » $3,375,000 $3,375,000 $3,375,000

for

Semin, Alexander » $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000

Would you do that?

Semin is in the dog house in Carolina even being scratched once. I know his salary is huge but I bet he can thrive on HCMJ system...+ we'd be sending to Carolina two of our biggest salary cap problems.

Just an idea throwing out there. Carolina would jump on this just to get rid of Semin.

Bennett-Crosby-Hörnqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Semin

Problem fixed considering the salary cap should go up in the next 2-3 years. The thing here is that we are not giving up assets.

Spaling, Nick » $2,200,000 $2,200,000
Scuderi, Rob » $3,375,000 $3,375,000 $3,375,000

for

Semin, Alexander » $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000

Would you do that?

Semin is in the dog house in Carolina even being scratched once. I know his salary is huge but I bet he can thrive on HCMJ system...+ we'd be sending to Carolina two of our biggest salary cap problems.

Just an idea throwing out there. Carolina would jump on this just to get rid of Semin.

Bennett-Crosby-Hörnqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Semin

Problem fixed considering the salary cap should go up in the next 2-3 years. The thing here is that we are not giving up assets.
- Barnaby36

When the lazy Russian stereotype gets thrown around, more often than not Semin is in that conversation.

Spaling, Nick » $2,200,000 $2,200,000
Scuderi, Rob » $3,375,000 $3,375,000 $3,375,000

for

Semin, Alexander » $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000

Would you do that?

Semin is in the dog house in Carolina even being scratched once. I know his salary is huge but I bet he can thrive on HCMJ system...+ we'd be sending to Carolina two of our biggest salary cap problems.

Just an idea throwing out there. Carolina would jump on this just to get rid of Semin.

Bennett-Crosby-Hörnqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Semin

Problem fixed considering the salary cap should go up in the next 2-3 years. The thing here is that we are not giving up assets.
- Barnaby36

No... Semin is good in contract years, not with 3 more years guaranteed.

And I doubt Scuderi is going to Carolina.

Spaling, Nick » $2,200,000 $2,200,000
Scuderi, Rob » $3,375,000 $3,375,000 $3,375,000

for

Semin, Alexander » $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000

Would you do that?

Semin is in the dog house in Carolina even being scratched once. I know his salary is huge but I bet he can thrive on HCMJ system...+ we'd be sending to Carolina two of our biggest salary cap problems.

Just an idea throwing out there. Carolina would jump on this just to get rid of Semin.

Bennett-Crosby-Hörnqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Semin

Problem fixed considering the salary cap should go up in the next 2-3 years. The thing here is that we are not giving up assets.
- Barnaby36

Creative. But I'd want Carolina to retain salary to make it an even swap cap wise.

and even at that.. still too much term on Semins deal, especially as bad as hes looked this year, for my taste

Spaling, Nick » $2,200,000 $2,200,000
Scuderi, Rob » $3,375,000 $3,375,000 $3,375,000

for

Semin, Alexander » $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000

Would you do that?

Semin is in the dog house in Carolina even being scratched once. I know his salary is huge but I bet he can thrive on HCMJ system...+ we'd be sending to Carolina two of our biggest salary cap problems.

Just an idea throwing out there. Carolina would jump on this just to get rid of Semin.

Bennett-Crosby-Hörnqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Semin

Problem fixed considering the salary cap should go up in the next 2-3 years. The thing here is that we are not giving up assets.
- Barnaby36

I want no part of Semin for 7. He is basically and elite talent with the brain of a 5 year old. Not saying GMJR wouldn't do that move, but getting Scuds to agree would be tough.

I wouldn't be shocked to see him go after Tlusty though and upon getting him offer him a multi year deal.

Most likely: Tlusty, Fleischmann. Book it.

The hawks would move Hossa in a second if they could move that contract. That will be an albatross in the next year or two. He is already starting to slow down and his cap hit will continue to count against their cap whether he retires or not.
- mw630

Not exactly, he signed the deal when he was under 35

If he retired, The Cap Recapture is what would get them, an example, if he retired after 2 more seasons, they would have a Cap hit of 18.9 million spread over the remaining 6 years of the original deal

It's the "Luongo Rule" They'd have been paying him 7.9 million salary with a 5.2 million cap hit for 7 years

that 2.7 per they saved has to be accounted for via cap hit

If they traded him tomorrow, they'd still be responsible for 5 years of 2.7 million if he retired early...

Nino, Perron, Tlutsy are the 3 I am most interested in. Cheap, established, lowest cap coming back of just about any name thrown out there. Looking at the list of names today, Cole, Semin, Yak, Eberle, Kessel, Jags....no to all.

I want no part of Semin for 7. He is basically and elite talent with the brain of a 5 year old. Not saying GMJR wouldn't do that move, but getting Scuds to agree would be tough.

I wouldn't be shocked to see him go after Tlusty though and upon getting him offer him a multi year deal.
- usethe1-2-2

Yeah I just don't see scuds going to carolina at this point in his career. Also we'd have an extra year to pay semin that 7 million on top of it. Although I do think semin would be a nice addition to malkins line with HCMJs system. But, you'd have the semin crosby jokes flowing like no other smh