Stan Savran was filling in for MM yesterday and he was taking proposals on the air. One was terrible and he said it best. "Ill give you my bag of marbles for your bag of gold."
- sammy87

Yep. If they're making a move, it's going to cost a lot. Not the Penguins' 5th best young defensemen.

Jagr: It's like that old x girl friend. It's better to remember the good times that once were, than try and relive the past. It probably wont work out and end ugly.
- sammy87

People need to stop living in the 90s.

Best case scenario we get Nino for martin + a prospect and possibly a later pic.
- znagle

They're not trading Martin.

Try Kapanen, Pouliot, and a 1st as a starting point. Like, empty the war chest.

Dumoulin and a 2nd isn't bringing back Jurco or Rattie. Those teams want to get better, too. They're not going to blithely agree to what is convenient and expendable for the Penguins.
- hardnosed

They have a plethora of winger prospects in the same respect as our defensive prospects. It is not unreasonable to assume defensive prospect needy teams with plenty of winger prospects would trade with a team that has plenty of D prospects and few winger prospects.
It also doesn't hurt your NHL roster at all and most of those guys are close if not already NHL ready.

Are you suggesting that Dumoulin and Rattie are equal in value?
- hardnosed

Pretty sure they are ranked like 48th (dumoulin) and 51st (rattie) on the prospect list

Jagr: It's like that old x girl friend. It's better to remember the good times that once were, than try and relive the past. It probably wont work out and end ugly.
- sammy87

Still hot

They're not trading Martin.
- hardnosed

I know this. I've been saying we need to keep him for a cup run the whole year but everyone wants a whole team of top 6 wingers and rookie defensemen.

Jagr: It's like that old x girl friend. It's better to remember the good times that once were, than try and relive the past. It probably wont work out and end ugly.
- sammy87

I like Jagr... I still really like Jagr, but I agree... In the outside chance that it does happen, I don't see it working out well.

Since returning to the NHL, he has 1 goal in 33 playoff games. He has just looked gassed for both Philly and Boston as he has gotten deeper in the playoffs. You get those flashes... that wrist shot, turning and easily shrugging a bigger guy off in the corner and controlling the puck, but those flashes get further and further in between.

They signed him in part because of cap floor issues. They're not dependent on him as part of a rebuild. Might take more than some would be willing to give up, but that can be said about any potential deal.



I Tlusty is a reasonable target. It would take more than most think. Like, Harrington and a first.
- hardnosed

Have you watched the trades the last few years??? No way it takes a top prospect and a first for a middle tier W. Example of deals over the past 2 years

Gaborik for Frattin, 2nd, and a conditional 3rd
Perron for Paarjarvi and a 2nd
Frolik for 3rd and a 5th
Niederreiter for Clutterbuck and a 3rd

I wouldn't. No chance. A solid prospect, a high-end third line center, a top six winger, and a first for a expensive Phil Kessel? Ain't doin' it. You'd be downgrading the team to two scoring lines at best with Dupes now out.
- Topshelf Mountain

This is carry over from yesterday's thread... but a Solid prospect in a log jammed defensive unit... a overrated third line center? (i like Sutter, but he is a bit overrated, albeit he is playing great hockey this season.) A "projected" top six winger.. Beau has shown flashes of skill, but he has also been injured (and probably will be again) and rather inconsistent... and a 1st, that will almost undoubtedly be in the 20-30 pick range for a 27 year old sniper that can score from anywhere on the ice without an elite center? (Bozak and Kadri are not elite...) Imagine what he could do on Sid or Geno's wing. Goc slides up to 3rd line center, which he has shown he can do, and do well. And bring up someone to play the 4th line from WBS. I'd be cool with it. Plus you can take a flyer on Mr Pancakes Dustin Penner on the cheap.

People need to stop living in the 90s.
- acdc1206

Who's living in the 90s? In his last 2 playoffs, he has 18 points in 33 games, and 10 of those assists were playing on a Bruins team he didn't fit on? When he was with Giroux he put up 8 points in 11 playoff games... him with Sid and Geno, ESPECIALLY Sid would be a nightmare along the boards for other teams.

If the Avs were to put together a package with ROR to the Pens.

which of your young dmen are more available? Pouliot or Harrington?

ROR for Sutter and one of them as the main pieces..im sure there would have to be some odds and ends here and there to make it all work but which of those Dmen is more likely to be shopped?

This is carry over from yesterday's thread... but a Solid prospect in a log jammed defensive unit... a overrated third line center? (i like Sutter, but he is a bit overrated, albeit he is playing great hockey this season.) A "projected" top six winger.. Beau has shown flashes of skill, but he has also been injured (and probably will be again) and rather inconsistent... and a 1st, that will almost undoubtedly be in the 20-30 pick range for a 27 year old sniper that can score from anywhere on the ice without an elite center? (Bozak and Kadri are not elite...) Imagine what he could do on Sid or Geno's wing. Goc slides up to 3rd line center, which he has shown he can do, and do well. And bring up someone to play the 4th line from WBS. I'd be cool with it. Plus you can take a flyer on Mr Pancakes Dustin Penner on the cheap.
- j.boyd919

Pens are strapped up front and now down 1 top 6 player and you want to deal 2 top 9 players for 1? Math doesnt add up there.

Jason Mackey ‏@Mackey_Trib 47s48 seconds ago
Penguins going with some live power play work here. Top unit unchanged. Flower in goal. Beau Bennett takes Dupuis' spot on No. 2 unit.

It might have happened anyway with how Bennett has played, but I really like him on that second unit.

He's with his linemates that he is clicking with, and from the right halfwall, he can distribute the puck to Ehrhoff and Sutter.

Have you watched the trades the last few years??? No way it takes a top prospect and a first for a middle tier W. Example of deals over the past 2 years

Gaborik for Frattin, 2nd, and a conditional 3rd
Perron for Paarjarvi and a 2nd
Frolik for 3rd and a 5th
Niederreiter for Clutterbuck and a 3rd
- cap1681

Garorik was unwanted and considered a head case, Perron had major concussion issues, Frolik was looking like a bust after looking bad in Chicago, and Nino was considered a bust by the Islanders.

There were reasons why all those guys went cheap. Tlusty is coming off two nice years and has 8 goals in 18 games right now for a bad team.

Just for poops and giggles.
Kunitz-Crosby-Horny
Comeau-Malkin-Kessel
Downs-Goc-Spaling
Adams-Megna-Sundqvist/Sign somemone---Penner, etc

Then in the next few years you have Kapenan coming in.. bump Horny down with Malkin and slide him onto Sids line... that doesn't look enticing?!

I think the pens should go after Perron. The guy would bring exactly what horn does and he could also float anywhere in the top 9. With dupuis gone, the team really needs a speedy player who has some grit but the skill to play with Sid or geno

If the Avs were to put together a package with ROR to the Pens.

which of your young dmen are more available? Pouliot or Harrington?

ROR for Sutter and one of them as the main pieces..im sure there would have to be some odds and ends here and there to make it all work but which of those Dmen is more likely to be shopped?
- DDM-Coga

From what I hear Pouliot is untouchable, Harrington not so much, Dumoulin the most likely guy to be moved. But with ROR's cap and being a UFA soon, not really interested. He will just want more at the end of the contract.

If the Avs were to put together a package with ROR to the Pens.

which of your young dmen are more available? Pouliot or Harrington?

ROR for Sutter and one of them as the main pieces..im sure there would have to be some odds and ends here and there to make it all work but which of those Dmen is more likely to be shopped?
- DDM-Coga

I wouldn't trade Sutter for O'Reilly straight up.

Let alone including Pouliot, who in my mind is untouchable unless a really great deal were to come along.

Just for poops and giggles.
Kunitz-Crosby-Horny
Comeau-Malkin-Kessel
Downs-Goc-Spaling
Adams-Megna-Sundqvist/Sign somemone---Penner, etc

Then in the next few years you have Kapenan coming in.. bump Horny down with Malkin and slide him onto Sids line... that doesn't look enticing?!
- j.boyd919

You have 5 players on that list that are top six. Five players that are basically 4th liners, and an unproven Sundqvist. That would be a joke of a team in the playoffs.

If the Avs were to put together a package with ROR to the Pens.

which of your young dmen are more available? Pouliot or Harrington?

ROR for Sutter and one of them as the main pieces..im sure there would have to be some odds and ends here and there to make it all work but which of those Dmen is more likely to be shopped?
- DDM-Coga

Tough to say... Probably Harrington, but they seem really high on him.

I just don't see Pouliot getting moved... he's playing great in the AHL, and Johnston knows him.

The problem with bringing in great, high priced forward is the cap issue next year. You can add a guy like that, but next season you'd need to save money elsewhere. The easiest place for the Pens to save money is on D, but if you move a Harrington or Pouliot, you are probably forced to resign Ehrhoff or someone more expensive.

From what I hear Pouliot is untouchable, Harrington not so much, Dumoulin the most likely guy to be moved. But with ROR's cap and being a UFA soon, not really interested. He will just want more at the end of the contract.
- sammy87

interesting. I was just looking at the Hockeys Future and they had Harrington ranked with a higher ceiling. But both seem like solid guys to have in your system. At the very least are going to be reliable 2nd pairing Top 4 Dmen.

Not sure what they are going to do for ROR. I think if they cant extend him they shop him in the same manner that J Staal was at the draft. Trade based on having him signing a long term extension with a new team.

Just for poops and giggles.
Kunitz-Crosby-Horny
Comeau-Malkin-Kessel
Downs-Goc-Spaling
Adams-Megna-Sundqvist/Sign somemone---Penner, etc

Then in the next few years you have Kapenan coming in.. bump Horny down with Malkin and slide him onto Sids line... that doesn't look enticing?!
- j.boyd919

That certainly makes me want to both poop and giggle.

You have 5 players on that list that are top six. Five players that are basically 4th liners, and an unproven Sundqvist. That would be a joke of a team in the playoffs.
- usethe1-2-2

Eh to each their own, I'll agree to disagree.

Tough to say... Probably Harrington, but they seem really high on him.

I just don't see Pouliot getting moved... he's playing great in the AHL, and Johnston knows him.

The problem with bringing in great, high priced forward is the cap issue next year. You can add a guy like that, but next season you'd need to save money elsewhere. The easiest place for the Pens to save money is on D, but if you move a Harrington or Pouliot, you are probably forced to resign Ehrhoff or someone more expensive.
- rival22

Unless you guys feel like Letang can be moved since Pouliot is ready to take that role, I think you have a lot of options this summer. Value on the current D Core, and Value in the D Prospects. You can shuffle a lot of players around and still have a solid core.