Juicy has three more seasons on his deal, so he wouldn't be a rental.

And a lot of players on that young unproven useless failed bust lists are pending RFA's, so there's no guarantee that they'd be in town long term either.

Point is, Geno and Juicy worked. I'd rather give up assets for something that I know is going to work than take blind stabs in the dark.
- hardnosed

I loved JJ, I wish JR kept him. He was awesome with Malkin, I was calling for him long before the Pens finally got him. Doubt he would be coming back now though.

I didnt like that list either. Def no on Yak, it would cost a 1st+, and Ive seen him play. No thanks!

I'm high on Nino, someone like that. Kane, Eberle etc...are just too unrealistic and too good to come here, its not needed or reasonable and would cost way too much.

I'll bring this over from the last thread cause it ties into the subject:

Hopefully Duper can be back next season but you have to be prepared for anything.

I've said it many times now but since cap is less of an issue, I think we can hang onto Martin for the year. We should move a combination of guys like Dumo, Samuelsson, Scuderi, Spaling, draft picks for a good young winger.

Prepare yourself for a huge list but here is who I would be looking at:

Jurco, Rattie, Yakupov, Perron, Connolly, Nino, M. Foligno, Forsberg, Boedker, Kuznetsov, Kane, ROR, Tatar, Palmeiri, Ritchie

Then guys like Morin, Mcginn, Buff, Bickell, Hemsky, etc as secondary/depth/specific need options
- YouMeAndDupuis9

No way Forsberg gets moved. The guy looks like a stud in Nashville. Price would likely be too high for Yakupov, Kuznetsov, Kane & ROR.

As for the rest, who knows? Have to wait & see, but I don't they are out of the realm of possibility.

Scuderi, 2015 2nd and 2016 2nd for stafford?
- joshs

He'll no...
Scuderi for pick..

Jussi's ship has sailed, same as Jagrs.
- all-pgh

I disagree, I don't think Jagrs has sailed. new GM and new coach... if he has a chance to win in Pitt at the deadline, I could see him coming here... why not? he went to Boston of all places.

Let me guess you are a Yankee fan too. just like their fans, all the best must filter to you and the rest of the league be damned. Just for example why in the name of all things holy would you even think that you have a shot at Forsberg?

Oh and heres one to Pasquel get well soon, hope I get to root against you soon!
- Sec111

Yea because baseball with no salary cap is such a good comparison. I'm just suggesting those are they types of guys we target and we have the assets to do so. Are Forsberg, Kane, Kuznetsov, ROR going to come here for nothing? Absolutely not but we have valuable pieces that may fit the other teams needs. Pouliot, 1st, Spaling would be a good starting point for some of those players. Plus I'm actually more focused on the 'cheaper' guys for now like Jurco, Rattie, etc. that may only cost us more expendable pieces like Dumoulin and a 2nd.

Dont they have to factor the "not if but when" Bennett is injured again. Ive seen the term "bad luck"applied to his injuries but given his history it goes beyond that unless his name is shleprock.

I'll bring this over from the last thread cause it ties into the subject:

Hopefully Duper can be back next season but you have to be prepared for anything.

I've said it many times now but since cap is less of an issue, I think we can hang onto Martin for the year. We should move a combination of guys like Dumo, Samuelsson, Scuderi, Spaling, draft picks for a good young winger.

Prepare yourself for a huge list but here is who I would be looking at:

Jurco, Rattie, Yakupov, Perron, Connolly, Nino, M. Foligno, Forsberg, Boedker, Kuznetsov, Kane, ROR, Tatar, Palmeiri, Ritchie

Then guys like Morin, Mcginn, Buff, Bickell, Hemsky, etc as secondary/depth/specific need options
- YouMeAndDupuis9

It's going to take a better piece than those to get probably anyone after Rattie. Maybe Dumoulin can get you a similar type prospect, but you are not getting an established young winger without giving up something of more value than a combination of spare parts, ok prospects, and a late first round pick.

Without really removing a good player from the NHL roster, you are either going to get a prospect who you hope will step up, or a rental.

No way Forsberg gets moved. The guy looks like a stud in Nashville. Price would likely be too high for Yakupov, Kuznetsov, Kane & ROR.

As for the rest, who knows? Have to wait & see, but I don't they are out of the realm of possibility.
- s0rcerer1984

Agree with you. Price would be very high and I'm sure some of those guys are completely unavailable. Just throwing a list out there. We're strong on defense and there are enough teams needing defense, you never know if a nice package of D prospects and picks can get you.

Have some balls my man. Neal was a blind stab in the dark. Jussi was a blind stab in the dark. Malkin isnt the easiest guy to play with but he's so elite that I'm sure most players with true top 6 talent would be fine on his wing with a full season to adjust. I'd rather go for the homerun on a younger guy stuck in a logjam of forwards who will cost 1/4th as much as Jussi and could stick around for 5-8 years.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Balls?!? Seriously?

I'd rather get a double than strike out.

Give it up everyone. Juicy is not coming back, unless you are on NHL 15
- znagle

More realistic than 99% of the idiotic proposals I've seen on here this season.

More realistic than 99% of the idiotic proposals I've seen on here this season.
- hardnosed

How? Because you said so?

Yea because baseball with no salary cap is such a good comparison. I'm just suggesting those are they types of guys we target and we have the assets to do so. Are Forsberg, Kane, Kuznetsov, ROR going to come here for nothing? Absolutely not but we have valuable pieces that may fit the other teams needs. Pouliot, 1st, Spaling would be a good starting point for some of those players. Plus I'm actually more focused on the 'cheaper' guys for now like Jurco, Rattie, etc. that may only cost us more expendable pieces like Dumoulin and a 2nd.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Try Kapanen, Pouliot, and a 1st as a starting point. Like, empty the war chest.

Dumoulin and a 2nd isn't bringing back Jurco or Rattie. Those teams want to get better, too. They're not going to blithely agree to what is convenient and expendable for the Penguins.

How? Because you said so?
- usethe1-2-2

Yep.

I disagree, I don't think Jagrs has sailed. new GM and new coach... if he has a chance to win in Pitt at the deadline, I could see him coming here... why not? he went to Boston of all places.
- j.boyd919

He's pretty old. Sure is a wlrkout freak but realistically how many deep playoff runs do you think he has in him.
Plus the whole I owe Mario everything and then sign with the flyers doesnt sit well. Screw him.

More realistic than 99% of the idiotic proposals I've seen on here this season.
- hardnosed

Stan Savran was filling in for MM yesterday and he was taking proposals on the air. One was terrible and he said it best. "Ill give you my bag of marbles for your bag of gold."

More realistic than 99% of the idiotic proposals I've seen on here this season.
- hardnosed

Not really. No reason for Florida to trade Jussi. They just signed him in the offseason, why get rid of him???

Personally, i've made it pretty vocal in here that i want the Pens to go after Tlusty from the Canes. He is a UFA at the end of the season, is an established player, but still is on the young side. He could be brought in as a rental, but could be a long term solution for the top 6 after this season.

It's going to take a better piece than those to get probably anyone after Rattie. Maybe Dumoulin can get you a similar type prospect, but you are not getting an established young winger without giving up something of more value than a combination of spare parts, ok prospects, and a late first round pick.

Without really removing a good player from the NHL roster, you are either going to get a prospect who you hope will step up, or a rental.
- rival22

Yea, I'm going idealistically here. Jurco, Rattie, Ritchie, Jensen (vancouver), etc may be possible with those assets to work from. Realistically, we probably need to add guys like Martin, Pouliot to the list to get the convo started on a lot of those guys.

We are so accustomed to needing wingers I think sometimes we forget that Defenseman and Centers have the most value. Not to mention, forwards are usually "sexier" to talk about So, if two prospects were identical in value like Dumo and Rattie, lets say, Dumo gets the slight edge for playing a position of greater overall value.

Jagr: It's like that old x girl friend. It's better to remember the good times that once were, than try and relive the past. It probably wont work out and end ugly.

Agree with you. Price would be very high and I'm sure some of those guys are completely unavailable. Just throwing a list out there. We're strong on defense and there are enough teams needing defense, you never know if a nice package of D prospects and picks can get you.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Forsberg just looks untouchable at the moment. 22pts in 18gms for the Preds; their leading scorer by a 6pts. Very impressive.

And to top it all off, he has 1 more year on his ELC.

Balls?!? Seriously?

I'd rather get a double than strike out.
- hardnosed

Not if the guy behind you gets an out to end the inning.

And god do I hate baseball.

More realistic than 99% of the idiotic proposals I've seen on here this season.
- hardnosed

Cue Palmer in 3...2...1

Not really. No reason for Florida to trade Jussi. They just signed him in the offseason, why get rid of him???

- cap1681

They signed him in part because of cap floor issues. They're not dependent on him as part of a rebuild. Might take more than some would be willing to give up, but that can be said about any potential deal.

Personally, i've made it pretty vocal in here that i want the Pens to go after Tlusty from the Canes. He is a UFA at the end of the season, is an established player, but still is on the young side. He could be brought in as a rental, but could be a long term solution for the top 6 after this season.
- cap1681

I Tlusty is a reasonable target. It would take more than most think. Like, Harrington and a first.

I'm betting that we go after someone in the Michael Ryder/Joel Ward range... Rental middle 6 guy, who we hope that can elevate their game playing with a Crosby or Malkin.

More realistic than 99% of the idiotic proposals I've seen on here this season.
- hardnosed

Seriously we aren't moving any roster player unless it's martin or scuderi MAYBE spalling. Maybe we could move a prospect as part of a trade, but we aren't going to give up every prospect we have plus a 1st for one player. Best case scenario we get Nino for martin + a prospect and possibly a later pic. Isn't this what got Shero canned for? Moving every pick we have for rentals? We're a damn good team and we shutout montreal without dupes already. Maybe if someone else goes down near the deadline we make a deal, until then we will survive and continue to thrive.

So, if two prospects were identical in value like Dumo and Rattie, lets say, Dumo gets the slight edge for playing a position of greater overall value.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Are you suggesting that Dumoulin and Rattie are equal in value?