greening - legwand - ryan
i bet ryan wants a do over on that extension, and i don't blame him with the way maclean has handled him this year.
- sensarmy_11

So Greening isn't good enough to play anywhere in the lineup most nights... but then is put on a line with Ryan? How is Michalek not moved up to that line, so Greening is playing role playing minutes with Smith and Neil?

No kidding about the extension... at this rate, Ryan might demand a trade before it even kicks in.

EDIT: Count me among those who are curious to see what a Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone line is capable of... that actually seems like a very well balanced line.

i also like the return we got from dallas.

hornquist is obviously playing well...........but i attribute a TON of that to the "crosby factor". he wouldn't have had nearly that kind of production in ottawa.

sens got 3 young quality pieces back for spezza........better than an almost 28 year old hornqvist IMO
- sensarmy_11

I would agree - 3 young quality pieces and the Crosby Factor fits Horny to a tee.

Obviously two things have turned around the Preds - Lavy's offense first approach vs. Trotzy's defense at all costs approach AND a healthy Pekka Rinne.

So Greening isn't good enough to play anywhere in the lineup most nights... but then is put on a line with Ryan? How is Michalek not moved up to that line, so Greening is playing role playing minutes with Smith and Neil?

No kidding about the extension... at this rate, Ryan might demand a trade before it even kicks in.
- khawk

it's ridiculous..........i would 100% support canning maclean if ottawa misses the playoffs this year. as great as he was the first 2 years, he seems to be equally inept last year and this year.

I would agree - 3 young quality pieces and the Crosby Factor fits Horny to a tee.

Obviously two things have turned around the Preds - Lavy's offense first approach vs. Trotzy's defense at all costs approach AND a healthy Pekka Rinne.
- im4preds

It helps to have a top line that is brand new and actually an offensive threat. Soo, maybe 3 things?

So Greening isn't good enough to play anywhere in the lineup most nights... but then is put on a line with Ryan? How is Michalek not moved up to that line, so Greening is playing role playing minutes with Smith and Neil?

No kidding about the extension... at this rate, Ryan might demand a trade before it even kicks in.

EDIT: Count me among those who are curious to see what a Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone line is capable of... that actually seems like a very well balanced line.
- khawk

Isn't it obvious? they are show casing him for a trade. Game 20 mark, GM meetings just happened, Ottawa's put out they only want a late round pick for him.

Greening isn't a horrible hockey player - he was good in the two games he played. Is he overpaid this season, yes, but so are a lot of players in the league.

i'm SHOCKED it took this long to try.

maclean was a really good coach the first 2 years, but the way he's handled the roster last year, and the beginning of this year............i'm not convinced anymore. he seems completley oblivious to things that seem SO obvious to literally everyone else....like the fact that greening is a terrible hockey player, that ryan deserves more ice time than guys like neil and legwand, that weircioch is a good hockey player, etc, etc, etc, etc
- sensarmy_11

yah.. its so fracking frustrating as a fan to watch this poop of a lineup he puts on sometimes.... you'd think he would have a better sense of player deployment and chemistry. sometimes i think he rewards guys who do what he says, rather than those who play well... he then saddlebags guys with guys they have no business playing with, which works then to reinforce mac's perception of (high quality player x)... and the cycle repeats.

im ok with the hoff, zib, stone line, bc i'm curious how they play together, but i mean, if lazar is out then id put ryan back with turris for fracks sake.. or ANYONE, ANYONE other than greening on the SECOND LINE.

maybe he's being shopped.... for a bag of pucks.

Isn't it obvious? they are show casing him for a trade. Game 20 mark, GM meetings just happened, Ottawa's put out they only want a late round pick for him.

Greening isn't a horrible hockey player - he was good in the two games he played. Is he overpaid this season, yes, but so are a lot of players in the league.
- tuna99

i don't think GMs are dumb enough to fall for the "showcase him with superior players" ploy. GMs know that greening sucks, that's why he's still here.

the only way greening leaves Ottawa is through waivers or buyout.

Hutton (WHO?!?!) starts instead of Rinne............that's a pretty big break for us.

Rinne's arms must be tired from last game, throwing them in the air celebrating goals so often.....needs a break.

i don't think GMs are dumb enough to fall for the "showcase him with superior players" ploy. GMs know that greening sucks, that's why he's still here.

the only way greening leaves Ottawa is through waivers or buyout.
- sensarmy_11

I think you are giving NHL GM's to much credit here - the Semin contract, The Brygalov trade and contract, the Kessel trade, the Brian Campbell trade, the Benoit Pouliot contract, the list goes on and on.

Hutton (WHO?!?!) starts instead of Rinne............that's a pretty big break for us.

Rinne's arms must be tired from last game, throwing them in the air celebrating goals so often.....needs a break.
- sensarmy_11

our 9th - 2nd or 3rd or 4th string goalie we have faced this season.

Part of being a good coach isn't turning players into something they're not, it's putting them in the best position for them to succeed.

Bobby Ryan was extremely effective last year while playing with Turris and MacArthur, even when he was hurt he was much better than he has been thus far this year.

Part of it is that Bobby Ryan has always been a slow starter. Part of it is that he's coming off of missing part of last season with that injury, and that he played with that injury for weeks/months, and recovery is often slower than you expect. But part of that is that coach keeps putting him in situations where his odds of success are lower than they would be if he was in the right situation.

How he is not on PP1 is absolutely baffling to me. How he is not on L1 every shift of every game is absolutely baffling to me. Put the guy in a situation where you maximize his value to your team. His opportunities for success are limited by playing with Michalek and Zibanejad. Michalek's skill set has declined from injury, and Zibanejad needs a little more time to develop some consistency. He's not going to get that from Ryan.

Playing him with Legwand and f***ing Colin Greening is even worse. Legwand is still a useful player, but he's not a true setup man the way that Turris is. Greening is a boat anchor that both Ryan and Legwand will have to haul around the ice.

The Senators are paying Ryan a ton of money, and they're completely miscasting him. It's frustrating, because for the time when he was with Turris and MacArthur, that 2 or 3 game period earlier in the season, they actually looked good. Then they have a subpar game and you've got Stone and Chiasson and everyone else auditioning on that line, instead of just keeping Ryan there and letting the three of them play. It's ridiculous.

I think you are giving NHL GM's to much credit here - the Semin contract, The Brygalov trade and contract, the Kessel trade, the Brian Campbell trade, the Benoit Pouliot contract, the list goes on and on.
- tuna99

of all those moves, i believe the only GM still employed is in edmonton.

that being said, all players involved were (at the time those moves happened) good hockey players. greening is ABSOLUTELY not an NHL calibre hockey player, no GM will take on a poopty player with that contract..........unless it's free on waivers, which is still doubtful.

Isn't it obvious? they are show casing him for a trade. Game 20 mark, GM meetings just happened, Ottawa's put out they only want a late round pick for him.

Greening isn't a horrible hockey player - he was good in the two games he played. Is he overpaid this season, yes, but so are a lot of players in the league.
- tuna99

The best way to showcase Colin Greening for a trade is to leave him in the pressbox, hope that no other GM has seen him play, and tell them that he's out of the lineup because of the number of bodies the team has, and just point out that he's fast and big. Hopefully they don't realize that he just spins around like a Roomba when he's on the ice until AFTER they trade for him.

Part of being a good coach isn't turning players into something they're not, it's putting them in the best position for them to succeed.

Bobby Ryan was extremely effective last year while playing with Turris and MacArthur, even when he was hurt he was much better than he has been thus far this year.

Part of it is that Bobby Ryan has always been a slow starter. Part of it is that he's coming off of missing part of last season with that injury, and that he played with that injury for weeks/months, and recovery is often slower than you expect. But part of that is that coach keeps putting him in situations where his odds of success are lower than they would be if he was in the right situation.

How he is not on PP1 is absolutely baffling to me. How he is not on L1 every shift of every game is absolutely baffling to me. Put the guy in a situation where you maximize his value to your team. His opportunities for success are limited by playing with Michalek and Zibanejad. Michalek's skill set has declined from injury, and Zibanejad needs a little more time to develop some consistency. He's not going to get that from Ryan.

Playing him with Legwand and f***ing Colin Greening is even worse. Legwand is still a useful player, but he's not a true setup man the way that Turris is. Greening is a boat anchor that both Ryan and Legwand will have to haul around the ice.

The Senators are paying Ryan a ton of money, and they're completely miscasting him. It's frustrating, because for the time when he was with Turris and MacArthur, that 2 or 3 game period earlier in the season, they actually looked good. Then they have a subpar game and you've got Stone and Chiasson and everyone else auditioning on that line, instead of just keeping Ryan there and letting the three of them play. It's ridiculous.
- the_terror

Very seldom I disagree with your thinking. But, the larger issue has to be team success. Ottawa becomes so much easier to defend (as a team) if you put Turris, MacArthur and Ryan on the same line. If the Sens are going to succeed it is because they can get production from more than one line. I think having Ryan on a second line also has helped Lazar, Hoffnan and Stone. If the kids have to play against top lines every shift they will not be nearly as productive.

If, for example, the rumors of Ottawa chasing Joe Thornton were true and they could bring a stud center into play with Ryan this entire discussion would be redundant.

Lazar is being traded to Arizona for Yandle ..... he will then be reunited with his line-mate from Edmonton (Samuelsson)

greening - legwand - ryan



i bet ryan wants a do over on that extension, and i don't blame him with the way maclean has handled him this year.

maclean is REALLY starting to piss me off.
- sensarmy_11

pmac is starting to bug me too. i simply do not understand how he uses his players. and i have never understood why he continues to constantly juggle lines. have some set lines and let the players develop some chemistry.

Lazar is being traded to Arizona for Yandle ..... he will then be reunited with his line-mate from Edmonton (Samuelsson)
- SensnRBs

if ottawa trades lazar for a pending UFA, i'll jump off a (frank)ing bridge.

Hutton (WHO?!?!) starts instead of Rinne............that's a pretty big break for us.

Rinne's arms must be tired from last game, throwing them in the air celebrating goals so often.....needs a break.
- sensarmy_11

He's given up 4 goal(1 was EN) in his two games this year, and we've managed to lose both of them.

He's given up 4 goal(1 was EN) in his two games this year, and we've managed to lose both of them.
- Vegas Trotzkies

impressive (except for the W/L record)..............but still rather face him than rinne.

impressive (except for the W/L record)..............but still rather face him than rinne.
- sensarmy_11

We're a more aggressive team in front of Rinne. I could easily see us lose another 2-1 decision in front Hutton if Anderson is on his game.

We're a more aggressive team in front of Rinne. I could easily see us lose another 2-1 decision in front Hutton if Lehner is on his game.
- Vegas Trotzkies

FIXED!

I think if lazar doesn't play they should just break the kid line up all together

Mac Turris Stone
Hoffman Zibanejad Ryan
Michalek Legwand Chiasson
Greening Smith Neil

I think if lazar doesn't play they should just break the kid line up all together

Mac Turris Stone
Hoffman Zibanejad Ryan
Michalek Legwand Chiasson
Greening Smith Neil
- sens4life1971

ryan and zibby have consistently shown that they have ZERO chemistry together, while stone and hoffman have shown that they have a TON of it.

swap ryan and stone, and that would be the best possible top six this team could ice.

The biggest dissapointment so far this season is Paul Maclean

Coling Greening and Legwand with Ryan?
How/What/Where/Why?

How on earth can you not look back at the production of Mac-Turris-Ryan from last season?

If fans are beggining to lose their patience/confidence with the coach its only a matter of time before the players do as well.

I think if lazar doesn't play they should just break the kid line up all together

Mac Turris Stone
Hoffman Zibanejad Ryan
Michalek Legwand Chiasson
Greening Smith Neil
- sens4life1971

I'm not certain why Greening gets the nod over Condra. Condra is a more efficient, responsible, and effective player in my opinion.

Clearly this is shopping Greening with the hopes that he catches fire and makes a GM bite.