So you're perfectly content with our forward/centre group and don't think we could use an upgrade in any capacity?

U don't think replacing him with anisimov or Vermette makes us a better squad right now?
- hugefemale dog77

He does. He said so earlier. Just doesn't know that there's a reasonably priced answer out there right now. Not wrong, but I disagree.

I think maybe we both want the same thing ( him to be sent down somewhere) but don't agree with the reasoning......

or are u saying, send him down regardless and just pull up lander.?


im unclear on where we are disagreeing
- hugefemale dog77

I think we agree then.

Don't want lander. Need NHL C's. It's mac ts job to get them so leon develops properly.

Pfft you said 5hrs right?
- Oilers4Life14

I never once said 5. You are still growing, you need more sleep than 5 you lil whipper snapper.

Disagree. He's getting his fewer number of points while being sheltered to the nines and yet his offense is more comparable to Hendricks than his regular linemates (Perron, Purcell, and Yak). Those others- aside from Purcell who has been suspect in the defensive end at times- also bring a more complete game (more shots, better two-way, and more physical).
- MaximumBone

His point totals are almost identical to Perron, Purcell, Arco and the gang and apparently he's putting them up with less minutes than the rest of them. I agree that the vets are capable of bringing other skills to the table too but again I go back to it's only very early in his career, he may very well be better than them all by game 40 or 50. We've burned a year of his ELC already, he may as well play out the season here, with all the issues plaguing this team, it's not like we'll be in the playoffs or winning the cup this year.

I think some follow this ethos.

but its not without its drawbacks.


1. hes not helping us win hockey games. the nhl should not be a developmental league
2. how much does it help him to play 10 mins a night, when he could be getting all the big minutes in all the big situations elsewhere.
3. that said; we cant play him more than that. hes a liability.

until we find a better option he stays. but we shouldnt be thinking of the ten game mark. its done. we need to do whats best for the oilers.
- hugefemale dog77

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most of the Oilers roster are a liability to the Oilers-he fits right in.

He does. He said so earlier. Just doesn't know that there's a reasonably priced answer out there right now. Not wrong, but I disagree.
- MaximumBone

My biggest concerns don't lie within the forward group on this team, I think a centre upgrade which could be welcomed if affordable and short term should take the back burner compared to what we need to do to fix the defense and goalie issues.

Perron is good sh1t.
He does alot for this squad.


Sometimes he tries to do too much, but he's the engine on that line.

Fukin yaks needs to refine that shot. Is he too panicky? not the hand eye that we thought? Lack of confidence?
His game was solid tonight and I'm comin around on him. But I'm not sure he's ever gonna be that true snipe we need.
Did he force a huge save in either of those grade A chances he had from near the hashmarks? Neither seemed like the goalie needed to do much.

My biggest concerns don't lie within the forward group on this team, I think a centre upgrade which could be welcomed if affordable and short term should take the back burner compared to what we need to do to fix the defense and goalie issues.
- Horseguts

For sure defence is a far bigger issue.

Perron is good sh1t.
He does alot for this squad.


Sometimes he tries to do too much, but he's the engine on that line.

Fukin yaks needs to refine that shot. Is he too panicky? not the hand eye that we thought? Lack of confidence?
His game was solid tonight and I'm comin around on him. But I'm not sure he's ever gonna be that true snipe we need.
Did he force a huge save in either of those grade A chances he had from near the hashmarks? Neither seemed like the goalie needed to do much.
- hugefemale dog77

He's the opposite of eberle. He's about the quick release. Didn't stun the goalie tonight but he has in thr last few games IMO. Lots of goal scorers will say to get it off fast so th goalie can't set. I think it'll work itself out and he will pot more. He could stand to hold the puck a second more in certain situations tho.

I see his confidence rising tho. Especially taking the puck from the Corner to the slot.

He's the opposite of eberle. He's about the quick release. Didn't stun the goalie tonight but he has in thr last few games IMO. Lots of goal scorers will say to get it off fast so th goalie can't set. I think it'll work itself out and he will pot more. He could stand to hold the puck a second more in certain situations tho.

I see his confidence rising tho. Especially taking the puck from the Corner to the slot.
- ystoil

good post

its like the chicken and the egg.

u want to get it off before the goalie can get set. but u still need to put in a spot where he wont stop it.
much easier said than done and is what makes those great snipers so valuable I guess.
I also think he could stand to hold on to the puck for another split second or start getting comfortable with corralling the puck better to put the puck where he needs

Yes. Logic. Because ignoring expanded stats because of some sense of either misunderstanding or aversion to numbers is logical
- MaximumBone

What does this, have to do with what we are currently talking about? Deflecting is quite the sign of weakness or grasping at straws in an argument.

No, it's stating that they're similar players; those being high-picked, offensive players, who certainly had the talent to make their teams draft year+1, but were sent down for further seasoning and benefited a great deal from it. I'm totally willing to accept that he may be different, but I think you'll find that historical evidence indicates lower risk of stunting development in lesser leagues.


Whether you like it or not, your arguments implied this. When you (or Horseguts) say "WTF else can he learn from junior?", that implies that he wouldn't be developing (because developing is learning) in junior. If you (or him) didn't intend it that way, feel free to say so, but you rarely provide context to your arguments.
- MaximumBone

Actually you said we said it would hinder or hurt his development. Now you are changing it to our statements "imply" something entirely different than what you just accused us of saying. Just because you read something and it implies something to you, is based on your own thought processes, and comprehension of what you read. You often like to point out that "everybody else reads it the way I do" which is quite the ignorant, egocentric statement, assuming the whole world sees things and thinks as you do .

You are using hindsight about other players, and using this as concrete evidence that the same that worked for them, will work for LD. This isn't a very scientific, logical approach, especially for a guy so in love with advanced stats.

Since you are unable to comprehend, I will provide a dumbed down version for you. There is no guarantee that LD, going to junior for say the rest of the year, will make him that much more NHL ready for next year. Sure a year to grow and develop, but against competition that is for the most part beneath him. He may improve skills in junior, that in no way will work on NHL defensemen/forwards/goalies. You said yourself he would be playing men in Europe, well since no way in hell the Oilers send him over there now, he is better to be learning against men in the NHL under the current circumstances. He is doing well on the dot, and he has played 17 games so far this season, so may be a lil premature to throw the kid away. First he is the best option the club has right now to play that spot. Now I know this is HB so you will say they need to make a trade and that it should have happened already and that the Oil are doing nothing, but how exactly do you know this? If you have a bug in Mac-T's office, I would love to hear it. Otherwise is it possible that a trigger cannot be pulled right now on a deal, that helps the Oil immediately in an area of need, and not leaves them vulnerable in another? Can you provide evidence that this has taken place?

Actually you said we said it would hinder or hurt his development. Now you are changing it to our statements "imply" something entirely different than what you just accused us of saying. Just because you read something and it implies something to you, is based on your own thought processes, and comprehension of what you read. You often like to point out that "everybody else reads it the way I do" which is quite the ignorant, egocentric statement, assuming the whole world sees things and thinks as you do .

You are using hindsight about other players, and using this as concrete evidence that the same that worked for them, will work for LD. This isn't a very scientific, logical approach, especially for a guy so in love with advanced stats.

Since you are unable to comprehend, I will provide a dumbed down version for you. There is no guarantee that LD, going to junior for say the rest of the year, will make him that much more NHL ready for next year. Sure a year to grow and develop, but against competition that is for the most part beneath him. He may improve skills in junior, that in no way will work on NHL defensemen/forwards/goalies. You said yourself he would be playing men in Europe, well since no way in hell the Oilers send him over there now, he is better to be learning against men in the NHL under the current circumstances. He is doing well on the dot, and he has played 17 games so far this season, so may be a lil premature to throw the kid away. First he is the best option the club has right now to play that spot. Now I know this is HB so you will say they need to make a trade and that it should have happened already and that the Oil are doing nothing, but how exactly do you know this? If you have a bug in Mac-T's office, I would love to hear it. Otherwise is it possible that a trigger cannot be pulled right now on a deal, that helps the Oil immediately in an area of need, and not leaves them vulnerable in another? Can you provide evidence that this has taken place?
- ruttager17

Put... The... Crack... Pipe... Down... And walk away slowly....

I only say this cause that was a (frank)ing novle and you must be high...

Ah, I understand sir.
- Oilers4Life14

you don't understand marriage. shut up. you don't even understand that a boob does not feel like a bag of sand.

Ben. Scrivens.

Put... The... Crack... Pipe... Down... And walk away slowly....

I only say this cause that was a (frank)ing novle and you must be high...
- HouseArrest187

Yeah I got pretty f@cked up on Quaaludes for a few hours man.

Yeah I got pretty f@cked up on Quaaludes for a few hours man.
- ruttager17

those can still be bought? where?how?

those can still be bought? where?how?
- ChetManly

Wal-Mart, aisle 13.

Wal-Mart, aisle 13.
- batjester

Must only be in the USA walmarts

What does this, have to do with what we are currently talking about? Deflecting is quite the sign of weakness or grasping at straws in an argument.
- ruttager17

It wasn't in response to what we were talking about. It was in response to a claim that I'm not being logical. I merely responded in kind.

Actually you said we said it would hinder or hurt his development. Now you are changing it to our statements "imply" something entirely different than what you just accused us of saying. Just because you read something and it implies something to you, is based on your own thought processes, and comprehension of what you read. You often like to point out that "everybody else reads it the way I do" which is quite the ignorant, egocentric statement, assuming the whole world sees things and thinks as you do .

You are using hindsight about other players, and using this as concrete evidence that the same that worked for them, will work for LD. This isn't a very scientific, logical approach, especially for a guy so in love with advanced stats.

- ruttager17

Please enlighten me as to what else you meant when you said "WTF else can he learn in junior?". I would LOVE to hear what the intended meaning of this was. I'd put money on the majority of people taking it the way I did.

And no, I'm not. Had you bothered to read what I said instead of putting words into my mouth to further your argument (looks like you do it, too ), you'd have seen that I clearly stated "I'm totally willing to accept that he may be different, but I think you'll find that historical evidence indicates lower risk of stunting development in lesser leagues." And now I have to go to work...

(frank)ing Garner

Reimer? Gtfo.

Perron is good sh1t.
He does alot for this squad.


Sometimes he tries to do too much, but he's the engine on that line.

Fukin yaks needs to refine that shot. Is he too panicky? not the hand eye that we thought? Lack of confidence?
His game was solid tonight and I'm comin around on him. But I'm not sure he's ever gonna be that true snipe we need.
Did he force a huge save in either of those grade A chances he had from near the hashmarks? Neither seemed like the goalie needed to do much.
- hugefemale dog77

I think this is it. He also may not have a huge hockey brain.

I think he needs some coaching up on a very specific gameplan. My hope is he embraces the nastiness and becomes a sort of a Marchand-like player: 30g 30a and everyone hates to play him.

(frank)ing Garner

Reimer? Gtfo.
- Iggysbff

Oh I see the voice of reason has arrived to ruin another good thread.

Oh I see the voice of reason has arrived to ruin another good thread.
- Aetherial

Garner is a hack. Most of the oiler regs can't stand him. Go hang out there and you won't hear from me or most of the others.

In other words. Get the (frank) out