That rule is bullpoop :/
- Oilers4Life14

its clearly a rule that the chl pushed for.
keeps talent in their game instead of nhl teams just stealing every draft eligible player (which are all the good ones) and then just parking them in the A.

I can understand attempting to keep the best nhl feeder league in the world viable and fans in the seats, but there should be a special rule or something.

someone had an idea about 1 guy per team and them having to pay a dollar amount to the junior club if they wanna keep him and put him in the A.
this way the oilers get LD on the barons, and the raiders get compensated for the lost revenue of fans that wanted to see draisaitl play and wont come now. and they actually come out on top if they don't lose ticket revenue AND get the buyout sum.

Your statement is saying that LD is Drouin, Getzlaf, Kopitar. Can you not take into account the different dynamics of each player, as well as the different dynamics of each team at those points in time?
- ruttager17

No, it's stating that they're similar players; those being high-picked, offensive players, who certainly had the talent to make their teams draft year+1, but were sent down for further seasoning and benefited a great deal from it. I'm totally willing to accept that he may be different, but I think you'll find that historical evidence indicates lower risk of stunting development in lesser leagues.

I also never said it would hurt his development, so stop taking things out of context, to use to prove a point for your argument.
- ruttager17

Whether you like it or not, your arguments implied this. When you (or Horseguts) say "WTF else can he learn from junior?", that implies that he wouldn't be developing (because developing is learning) in junior. If you (or him) didn't intend it that way, feel free to say so, but you rarely provide context to your arguments.

Sorry about your loss.

Just wanted to stop by and say hi to Jero. Hi Jero

its clearly a rule that the chl pushed for.
keeps talent in their game instead of nhl teams just stealing every draft eligible player (which are all the good ones) and then just parking them in the A.

I can understand attempting to keep the best nhl feeder league in the world viable and fans in the seats, but there should be a special rule or something.

someone had an idea about 1 guy per team and them having to pay a dollar amount to the junior club if they wanna keep him and put him in the A.
this way the oilers get LD on the barons, and the raiders get compensated for the lost revenue of fans that wanted to see draisaitl play and wont come now. and they actually come out on top if they don't lose ticket revenue AND get the buyout sum.
- hugefemale dog77

I do understand that the CHL would suffer but I honestly feel that once a player is drafted by a NHL team, where he goes to play should be determined 100% by said team. If they feel he is better off in junior, he goes there or if they feel he's better suited for the AHL or NHL, he goes there. Screw the money side of it, the Barons don't get compensated for sending players up to Edmonton.

Most of the players that went overseas during the lockout were already NHL regulars anyways and grew up playing on the small ice so I doubt it would really harm them much but in Leon's case, he already knows the big ice game and he needs to know the small ice game and there is a world of difference in the two. He would be much better off playing on the Oilers and being taught the Oilers game/system by pro NHL coaches, having Pro NHL trainers and doctors and developing chemistry with Oilers players.
Hell I have always thought that the best way to improve your skills at anything is to compete against people better than you. You may take a whooping some days but in the long run you'll be better for it.
- Horseguts

But he's played on the NA ice for two years now. Sure there's validity to the argument of keeping him here, but I'm arguing that the odds are greater that his development is stunted by staying here than if he were to return (or go to) a lesser league; as historical evidence supports.

Whose to say there aren't plenty of players better than him on International ice over in the league he chooses to play? It's great to play against better players, but I'm of the belief that you still need to learn how to dominate against men.

I understand your statement of doing whats best for the oilers but I can't agree with that. I know we have had so many years of failure that this team needs to win but you can't do that at the expense of a 19 year old who we have big plans for the future. Even Mac T said he would look at Leon without considering team needs.

I would prefer to see him play more minutes elsewhere. That's my personal opinion, regardless of what the Oilers need. Why? Because it's (frank)ing management's job to assemble an NHL roster and not play kids in over their heads.
- ystoil

I think maybe we both want the same thing ( him to be sent down somewhere) but don't agree with the reasoning......

or are u saying, send him down regardless and just pull up lander.?


im unclear on where we are disagreeing

Sorry about your loss.

Just wanted to stop by and say hi to Jero. Hi Jero
- The-O-G

Hes MIA.

I think rutts is banned

Generally doesn't let arguments go...

1. He scored tonight so he did what only two other Oilers managed to do.
2. It's only 16 games into his pro career, given a chance he may very well be playing 20 mins a night by game 40 and doing well.
3. I don't consider him a liability any more than other players we have on the roster, he can protect the puck in both zones better than a lot of the pros we have as well.
- Horseguts

What has he done the prior 8 games? 1 assist. The season as a whole? 5 points. Not awful totals, but also not something you want from a guy playing with talented wingers in an uber-sheltered role. He should be actively shopping for a C, and- so long as it doesn't interfere with his D shopping- he should make a trade that improves the Oilers now with little harm to the future.

We'll have to disagree on that last point.

But he's played on the NA ice for two years now. Sure there's validity to the argument of keeping him here, but I'm arguing that the odds are greater that his development is stunted by staying here than if he were to return (or go to) a lesser league; as historical evidence supports.

Whose to say there aren't plenty of players better than him on International ice over in the league he chooses to play? It's great to play against better players, but I'm of the belief that you still need to learn how to dominate against men.
- MaximumBone

If we had a solid replacement for him this season right now without having to move important picks/prospects then I would probably be ok with sending him to junior if he would go there, I certainly don't think it hurts development but I also think that top talent draft picks can also make the jump directly to the pros and learn their trade there effectively as well. It's way too early in this season to claim he has no business being on the Oilers.

If we had a solid replacement for him this season right now without having to move important picks/prospects then I would probably be ok with sending him to junior if he would go there, I certainly don't think it hurts development but I also think that top talent draft picks can also make the jump directly to the pros and learn their trade there effectively as well. It's way too early in this season to claim he has no business being on the Oilers.
- Horseguts

But how many top draft picks that struggle like he has early on stick around? If they can't produce offense, chances are they're not doing much else aside from learning (which they can do elsewhere along with produce offense).

I think rutts is banned

Generally doesn't let arguments go...
- Oilers4Life14

That sometimes happens, when you report people. Sounds like you miss him

I think rutts is banned

Generally doesn't let arguments go...
- Oilers4Life14

You know you bring a lot on yourself, right.

That sometimes happens, when you report people. Sounds like you miss him
- leonkennedy

Oh ya. Love the guy. He's my honey bunches of oats.

Also hi Rutts, I did not know you have an alt.

You know you bring a lot on yourself, right.
- Yeti1181

Yeah.... occasionally.

Oh ya. Love the guy. He's my honey bunches of oats.

Also hi Rutts, I did not know you have an alt.
- Oilers4Life14

Read location. Raccoon City is a long way from Lethbridge Ab. Also it is late, don't you have school in the morning, and should be getting to bed you lil scamp?

Read location. Raccoon City is a long way from Lethbridge Ab. Also it is late, don't you have school in the morning, and should be getting to bed you lil scamp?
- leonkennedy

Don't you have a wife to go sleep with?

But how many top draft picks that struggle like he has early on stick around? If they can't produce offense, chances are they're not doing much else aside from learning (which they can do elsewhere along with produce offense).
- MaximumBone

If you compare his stats to the forwards besides the top line, he is right on par with them all.

Don't you have a wife to go sleep with?
- Oilers4Life14

Only on weekends. The whole marriage thing doesn't appeal to me right now.

Only on weekends. The whole marriage thing doesn't appeal to me right now.
- leonkennedy

Ah, I understand sir.

If you compare his stats to the forwards besides the top line, he is right on par with them all.
- Horseguts

Send them all down

Sorry, had to make one stupid comment before I go to bed night

Send them all down

Sorry, had to make one stupid comment before I go to bed night
- Oilers4Life14

Ahhhh kids. So precocious and full of wonderment. You need your 8 hours you lil ragamuffin. Sleep tight.

If you compare his stats to the forwards besides the top line, he is right on par with them all.
- Horseguts

Disagree. He's getting his fewer number of points while being sheltered to the nines and yet his offense is more comparable to Hendricks than his regular linemates (Perron, Purcell, and Yak). Those others- aside from Purcell who has been suspect in the defensive end at times- also bring a more complete game (more shots, better two-way, and more physical).

Ahhhh kids. So precocious and full of wonderment. You need your 8 hours you lil ragamuffin. Sleep tight.
- leonkennedy

Pfft you said 5hrs right?

If you compare his stats to the forwards besides the top line, he is right on par with them all.
- Horseguts

So you're perfectly content with our forward/centre group and don't think we could use an upgrade in any capacity?

U don't think replacing him with anisimov or Vermette makes us a better squad right now?