poopty way to lose but glad we got a point. After spotting a team 3 goals we should consider ourselves lucky that we got 1 point

And now that he has played over 9 games, what team in their right mind would send their player over seas, mid season to develop??? What is wrong with his confidence, and are his skills guaranteed to develop and him gain more confidence playing against kid's in junior???
- ruttager17

If he's actually scoring? Yeah, pretty much. Did going back to junior hurt Drouin? Nope. How about Getzlaf? How about Kopitar?

Find me one example of a player whose development was hurt or stunted by going back to junior an extra year and I'll find you three (or more) of players being rushed and having their development hurt. Try to keep it post-2000.

Right at you when it isn't through your D-man? Sure. They lost in OT so that means any one of the 4 he gave up cost the team. The team gives up 17 first period shots, you can't pin everything on the goaltender. Use your head for just once.
- ruttager17

I think you are missing the whole point... THE PUCK WAS SHOT RIGHT AT HIM IN OT.


And yes, we had a terrible first, and I am only pinning ONE of those goals in the first on him... because it was a goddamn wrister from the boards.

Stop exaggerating the first. The final 30 mins of the game we dominated, Anderson also kept them in it. Thats what goalies do, jackass.

THANK YOU. Logic and critical thinking and reasoning, are so refreshing to hear from someone on these threads, even if it is as rare as JB finding a (frank)ing job.
- ruttager17

If he's actually scoring? Yeah, pretty much. Did going back to junior hurt Drouin? Nope. How about Getzlaf? How about Kopitar?

Find me one example of a player whose development was hurt or stunted by going back to junior an extra year and I'll find you three (or more) of players being rushed and having their development hurt. Try to keep it post-2000.
- MaximumBone

Your statement is saying that LD is Drouin, Getzlaf, Kopitar. Can you not take into account the different dynamics of each player, as well as the different dynamics of each team at those points in time? I also never said it would hurt his development, so stop taking things out of context, to use to prove a point for your argument.

If he's actually scoring? Yeah, pretty much. Did going back to junior hurt Drouin? Nope. How about Getzlaf? How about Kopitar?

Find me one example of a player whose development was hurt or stunted by going back to junior an extra year and I'll find you three (or more) of players being rushed and having their development hurt. Try to keep it post-2000.
- MaximumBone

He wouldn't be going to junior though so your point is moot.

Well, if he was going to junior (which he isn't), it'd do more than playing less than 10 minutes in a home game where the team needed offense It would help him gain more confidence and refine his skills on both offense and defense even further.

On from that, however, he very clearly stated going into camp that it was either the Oilers or a European men's League.
- MaximumBone

if we could acquire a vermette, anisimov, dubinsky etc.

id happily send him to Europe


and I wont argue with the petry hate too much. he does make errors. every game. but hes our best 2 way guy.
hes our strongest skater and can play at both ends.
we absolutely need him.

I seriously think hes gun shy after facing a relentless forecheck for 4 years with little to no help.
put him with a guy that he knows will cover for him and those mistakes will appear way less egregious. andé or just flat out disappear as he realizes he doesn't need to panic.

he can be frustrating, but we need to offer him a contract asap

He wouldn't be going to junior though so your point is moot.
- Horseguts

I believe going back to junior is the only option.

I believe going back to junior is the only option.
- Yeti1181

he can go to europe

He scored tonight when the team needed offence and why would the Oilers want him in a Euro league where he would learn the game on a different ice surface and where they would have little to no input on his development there?
- Horseguts

What's there to learn? He played on that ice surface all his life up until 2011. I'm sure he's fully capable of recognizing the differences in how to play on NA ice and International ice and applying them to his current situation. Were players that went overseas to play during the lockout hurt by playing on International ice for half of a season? Not by any statistical measure I know of.

How much input does he realistically need right now that he won't get during the offseason? They'll still give him a workout regimen to maintain while overseas, and it's not like the coaches are all that much worse over there. They'll still coach him well on positioning as it's even more crucial on the larger ice surface.

The Oilers have improved!

I believe going back to junior is the only option.
- Yeti1181

I thought it was all about going to a Euro league or the Oilers, no junior.

That's a win-win for everyone on HB. Especially for me! Because I am OBVIOUSLY as stupid as rutts says I am
- Oilers4Life14

See, I'm not taking advantage of your stupidity, the guy who bet you when you didn't have any money did that. I'm taking advantage of your desperation because you were stupid and bet money you didn't have. It's a total different level of scumbaggary, it's the American way

I think you are missing the whole point... THE PUCK WAS SHOT RIGHT AT HIM IN OT.


And yes, we had a terrible first, and I am only pinning ONE of those goals in the first on him... because it was a goddamn wrister from the boards.

Stop exaggerating the first. The final 30 mins of the game we dominated, Anderson also kept them in it. Thats what goalies do, jackass.
- Oilers4Life14

BINGO ! When was the last franking time Scrivens kept us in a game ? Last year...Above average/Starting goalies will make that save...dman or no dman sliding in front you. Scrivens has not kept us in a game for a long time.

THANK YOU. Logic and critical thinking and reasoning, are so refreshing to hear from someone on these threads, even if it is as rare as JB finding a (frank)ing job.
- ruttager17

Yes. Logic. Because ignoring expanded stats because of some sense of either misunderstanding or aversion to numbers is logical

See, I'm not taking advantage of your stupidity, the guy who bet you when you didn't have any money did that. I'm taking advantage of your desperation because you were stupid and bet money you didn't have. It's a total different level of scumbaggary, it's the American way
- batjester

Best pens fan I have met

I thought it was all about going to a Euro league or the Oilers, no junior.
- Horseguts

the only league he cant play in is the AHL.
which just so happens to be the best league for him right now.

sh1tty

What's their to learn? He played on that ice surface all his life up until 2011. I'm sure he's fully capable of recognizing the differences in how to play on NA ice and International ice and applying them to his current situation. Were players that went overseas to play during the lockout hurt by playing on International ice for half of a season? Not by any statistical measure I know of.

How much input does he realistically need right now that he won't get during the offseason? They'll still give him a workout regimen to maintain while overseas, and it's not like the coaches are all that much worse over there. They'll still coach him well on positioning as it's even more crucial on the larger ice surface.
- MaximumBone

Most of the players that went overseas during the lockout were already NHL regulars anyways and grew up playing on the small ice so I doubt it would really harm them much but in Leon's case, he already knows the big ice game and he needs to know the small ice game and there is a world of difference in the two. He would be much better off playing on the Oilers and being taught the Oilers game/system by pro NHL coaches, having Pro NHL trainers and doctors and developing chemistry with Oilers players.
Hell I have always thought that the best way to improve your skills at anything is to compete against people better than you. You may take a whooping some days but in the long run you'll be better for it.

All this bickering is pointless anyways because I bet no matter what either one of us says we won't change the others opinion and he'll be an Oiler all year anyways.

the only league he cant play in is the AHL.
which just so happens to be the best league for him right now.

sh1tty
- hugefemale dog77

That rule is bullpoop :/

BINGO ! When was the last franking time Scrivens kept us in a game ? Last year...Above average/Starting goalies will make that save...dman or no dman sliding in front you. Scrivens has not kept us in a game for a long time.
- Surrey-Oiler

The other night in Nashville, and tonight after the team went down 3 goals early?

Most of the players that went overseas during the lockout were already NHL regulars anyways and grew up playing on the small ice so I doubt it would really harm them much but in Leon's case, he already knows the big ice game and he needs to know the small ice game and there is a world of difference in the two. He would be much better off playing on the Oilers and being taught the Oilers game/system by pro NHL coaches, having Pro NHL trainers and doctors and developing chemistry with Oilers players.
Hell I have always thought that the best way to improve your skills at anything is to compete against people better than you. You may take a whooping some days but in the long run you'll be better for it.
- Horseguts

I think some follow this ethos.

but its not without its drawbacks.


1. hes not helping us win hockey games. the nhl should not be a developmental league
2. how much does it help him to play 10 mins a night, when he could be getting all the big minutes in all the big situations elsewhere.
3. that said; we cant play him more than that. hes a liability.

until we find a better option he stays. but we shouldnt be thinking of the ten game mark. its done. we need to do whats best for the oilers.

the only league he cant play in is the AHL.
which just so happens to be the best league for him right now.

sh1tty
- hugefemale dog77

I would be ok with him in OKC if it was possible, the league needs to fix that.

I think some follow this ethos.

but its not without its drawbacks.


1. hes not helping us win hockey games. the nhl should not be a developmental league
2. how much does it help him to play 10 mins a night, when he could be getting all the big minutes in all the big situations elsewhere.
3. that said; we cant play him more than that. hes a liability.

until we find a better option he stays. but we shouldnt be thinking of the ten game mark. its done. we need to do whats best for the oilers.
- hugefemale dog77

Very well said sir.

I think some follow this ethos.

but its not without its drawbacks.


1. hes not helping us win hockey games. the nhl should not be a developmental league
2. how much does it help him to play 10 mins a night, when he could be getting all the big minutes in all the big situations elsewhere.
3. that said; we cant play him more than that. hes a liability.

until we find a better option he stays. but we shouldnt be thinking of the ten game mark. its done. we need to do whats best for the oilers.
- hugefemale dog77

I understand your statement of doing whats best for the oilers but I can't agree with that. I know we have had so many years of failure that this team needs to win but you can't do that at the expense of a 19 year old who we have big plans for the future. Even Mac T said he would look at Leon without considering team needs.

I would prefer to see him play more minutes elsewhere. That's my personal opinion, regardless of what the Oilers need. Why? Because it's (frank)ing management's job to assemble an NHL roster and not play kids in over their heads.

I think some follow this ethos.

but its not without its drawbacks.


1. hes not helping us win hockey games. the nhl should not be a developmental league.
2. how much does it help him to play 10 mins a night, when he could be getting all the big minutes in all the big situations elsewhere.
3. that said; we cant play him more than that. hes a liability.

until we find a better option he stays. but we shouldnt be thinking of the ten game mark. its done. we need to do whats best for the oilers.
- hugefemale dog77

1. He scored tonight so he did what only two other Oilers managed to do.
2. It's only 16 games into his pro career, given a chance he may very well be playing 20 mins a night by game 40 and doing well.
3. I don't consider him a liability any more than other players we have on the roster, he can protect the puck in both zones better than a lot of the pros we have as well.