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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 13 @ 1:22 PM ET
To Ek's credit, he does pose a lot of rumors that create a lot of legit discussion, but I think the Flyers part of this one is a stretch to say the least. Maybe other teams have interest and I'm sure they do but I can't see the Flyers making a move unless the Kings make an offer they can't refuse.
- NickTheKid87


Well they could throw in Doughty!
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 13 @ 1:22 PM ET
I've met and seen professional athletes here and there and no one was nicer than Bernie Parent.
- johndewar



I've run into him at whole foods in town on several occasions and he is ALWAYS the nicest guy. Loves to talk to people
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:23 PM ET
If Umberger would be ought out Ricahrds moves to wing.

Simmonds - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Couturier - Read
Richards - Laughton - Raffl


I don't think it is true either just saying it would seem to aline the lineup better then with Vinny.

- J35Bacher



I just don't see Richards happening.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 13 @ 1:23 PM ET
would you guys do an umberger for richards swap?
- 2Real


No only because I don't want Richards contract for 6 more years
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Nov 13 @ 1:24 PM ET
would you guys do an umberger for richards swap?
- 2Real


No Richards is signed through 2019-20 and Umberger through 2016-17. Richards' cap hit is $5.75m and Umberger's is $4.6m. Richards is better but not enough so to justify the cap hit and length of his deal, IMO.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:25 PM ET
I'm not suggesting the Flyers are in on Richards; there is no reason for them to be, but I would be hard pressed not to think Lombardi got on the phone with Hextall to gauge his interest.
- KGBflyers10



That's how the rumors get started. Sources get wind of prelimnary conversations just kicking the tires. And boom, the Flyers have interest in Richards.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:28 PM ET
Carchidi was asked by a reader on twitter if the Flyers should trade for Richards
- Jsaquella


well, ek says it's an e3 because hextall likes him. he really, really likes him.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:28 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Umberger, Injury Updates, Quick Hits
- bmeltzer


there's that gary meehan reference again. sombebody's gonna' be
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:31 PM ET
It's possible, but looking at the last game, there's a couple plays that stood out.

First, there was a play for a loose puck that would have been a close race in the first period. Umberger pulled up and the Colorado skater took control.

The second was the icing in the third. Umberger just stopped skating two or three strides from the redline and fired it in.

Maybe he is hurt and shying away from contact. Maybe the injuries from last season have him a bit gunshy. Either way, he's been really ineffective and Berube isn't handling him like a guy nursing an injury.

- Jsaquella


he also got female dogslapped by talbot on the half wall and then directly fed the puck to tanguay for a short side blast to make it 4-3. mason sucks, too.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Nov 13 @ 1:33 PM ET
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 13 @ 1:33 PM ET
Take your time, AMac.

http://www.flyerdelphia.c...-statistical-success.html

- Tomahawk


You know that MacDonald's top pairing minutes have been going to Grossmann, who has been getting killed in possession numbers, right?

http://www.behindthenet.c...+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67#

I guess the author has never heard of Corsi Rel QoC. Unsurprisingly the three Flyers defensemen with 5+ games played who have positive Corsi-On are the three who face the weakest competition.



hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:37 PM ET




more then a passing resemblance I think

- Marc D


who wears a hat like that? i mean, really.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:39 PM ET
A bit off topic here....but did anyone get a chance to listen to Stern the other day when Bernie was on? I didn't know that Bernie was such a ladies man...from his own mouth, he said that he had a big Richard and he slept with 5 ladies at once.

I didn't know this, but Bernie had a serious case of "man-boobitus". He recently saw a well known plastic surgeon to rid himself of the "extra weight".

I'll tell ya one thing though...I can only take his accent in small doses. Ughhh

- Fast_Eddie_1


i listened. it wasn't a very good interview, imo, although the ending was a little more natural once the doc came on.

bernie's got rep for being a ladies' man...nothing new there.

bernie pa-RENT. jfc, howard.
Fast_Eddie_1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Vorhees, NJ
Joined: 01.31.2012

Nov 13 @ 1:40 PM ET
who wears a hat like that? i mean, really.
- hammarby31


Kanye West of course! That BOY is a fashion mogul!!!
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 13 @ 1:41 PM ET
There's no way Richards comes back here. It's too weird.

Plus, they do not need another center.

Let's not forget that the Flyers don't have cap space to even handle Richards' contract. Richards for VLC? HAHAHA

- KGBflyers10


Vinny after this season - 3 years at $4.5 million.

Richards after this season - 5 years at $5.75 million.

There's no chance in hell the Flyers are going to trade for Mike Richards.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:42 PM ET
There's no way Richards comes back here. It's too weird.

Plus, they do not need another center.

Let's not forget that the Flyers don't have cap space to even handle Richards' contract. Richards for VLC? HAHAHA

- KGBflyers10


the only reason i'd want him back is for new bmw commercials.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:44 PM ET
You know that MacDonald's top pairing minutes have been going to Grossmann, who has been getting killed in possession numbers, right?

http://www.behindthenet.c...+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67#

I guess the author has never heard of Corsi Rel QoC. Unsurprisingly the three Flyers defensemen with 5+ games played who have positive Corsi-On are the three who face the weakest competition.

- Feanor


Grossmann may not drive possession, but he's very effective in the defensive zone in terms of punishing opposing forecheckers, clearing crease and making good basic plays to get the puck up the ice.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:45 PM ET
I understand that it freed up two years of cap space for younger guys who will require raises and extensions, but right now, it looks like the Flyers/Hexy got fleeced in this deal. Columbus was going to use a compliance buyout on him anyway, so why not trade Hartnell for a pick?
- aantny88


Yes, I can't seem to reconcile how most people knew RJ was on the outs in CBJ and was a buyout candidate, yet the Flyers trade their 1st line LW for him.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:46 PM ET
Regarding the third period period where Talbot got the puck away from Umberger and then fed it to Tanguay for a goal, Chief said yesterday, "He wasn't knocked off the ice. He just lost it on the wall."

I don't really see how that's any better.

- bmeltzer


This is what bugs me about Berube...he'll make excuse after excuse for a declining/aging guy like Umberger, who has played poorly and makes numerous big mistakes, but a young player with upside like Akeson is given a leash as short as a pit bull in a neo-natal unit.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:50 PM ET
This is what bugs me about Berube...he'll make excuse after excuse for a declining/aging guy like Umberger, who has played poorly and makes numerous big mistakes, but a young player with upside like Akeson is given a leash as short as a pit bull in a neo-natal unit.
- exlund


nailed it.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:50 PM ET
This is what bugs me about Berube...he'll make excuse after excuse for a declining/aging guy like Umberger, who has played poorly and makes numerous big mistakes, but a young player with upside like Akeson is given a leash as short as a pit bull in a neo-natal unit.
- exlund

Berube is like Hitch, a veterans coach
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 13 @ 1:54 PM ET
Yes, I can't seem to reconcile how most people knew RJ was on the outs in CBJ and was a buyout candidate, yet the Flyers trade their 1st line LW for him.
- exlund

Hartnell was no longer this though

I was not thrilled with the return but they didn't trade a #1 LW for RJ
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Nov 13 @ 1:55 PM ET
That Damn Ek. He will pay for this!
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- Fast_Eddie_1


Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 13 @ 1:56 PM ET
This is what bugs me about Berube...he'll make excuse after excuse for a declining/aging guy like Umberger, who has played poorly and makes numerous big mistakes, but a young player with upside like Akeson is given a leash as short as a pit bull in a neo-natal unit.
- exlund

I think he is using tough love to motivate Akeson, and with RJ they (Beroob and Hextall) are trying to give him some confidence at this point.

I am not always in agreement with how the coach doles out ice time, but I think I can see what they are doing with these two players.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:56 PM ET
Hartnell was no longer this though

I was not thrilled with the return but they didn't trade a #1 LW for RJ

- Marc D


Yeah, well he was a fit on OUR 1st line anyway (Raffl's play there notwithstanding).
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