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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 14 @ 7:51 AM ET
Who's the greater 'loss', JJ or AMac?
- Tomahawk




Flip a coin?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 14 @ 7:55 AM ET


Flip a coin?

- Jsaquella


2-5 w/ Amac in the lineup, 5-2 w/o him. Just sayin'
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 14 @ 7:57 AM ET
2-5 w/ Amac in the lineup, 5-2 w/o him. Just sayin'
- Tomahawk


but, but...he's a top dman???
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 14 @ 7:59 AM ET
(insert bat signal)
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Nov 14 @ 8:12 AM ET
"I want a new thread..."


Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 14 @ 8:24 AM ET
2-5 w/ Amac in the lineup, 5-2 w/o him. Just sayin'
- Tomahawk


My issue has never been with AMac himself. I just think you can find similar guys for less money.

In the case of the Flyers alone, Nick Schultz has given them the same kind of play MacDonald was, and I'd argue that Michael Del Zotto has been better than what MacDonald was giving them.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 14 @ 8:25 AM ET
My issue has never been with AMac himself. I just think you can find similar guys for less money.
- Jsaquella


I'm going to survive this season by imagining MDZ is the one making $5M and AMac's the guy making $1.3M.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 14 @ 8:26 AM ET
"I want a new thread..."


- tangent_man


Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 14 @ 8:26 AM ET
I'm going to survive this season by imagining MDZ is the one making $5M and AMac's the guy making $1.3M.
- Tomahawk


Next season, that could lead to a debilitating alcohol problem
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 14 @ 8:27 AM ET
"I want a new thread..."


- tangent_man


Dear God...why? It will only get ruined.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 14 @ 8:27 AM ET
Next season, that could lead to a debilitating alcohol problem
- Jsaquella


oops, too late
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 14 @ 8:28 AM ET
oops, too late

- BiggE


Yours isn't debilitating. Yet
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 14 @ 8:28 AM ET
(insert bat signal)
- Tomahawk


I'm still holding out hope that the mothership comes back for him
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 14 @ 8:29 AM ET
Yours isn't debilitating. Yet
- Jsaquella


Well, practice makes perfect
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 14 @ 8:29 AM ET
Well, practice makes perfect
- BiggE



Now I get to leave for work
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 14 @ 8:31 AM ET


Now I get to leave for work

- Jsaquella


Sorry, I'm off today!

Well, I'm off every day, but not necessarily from work!
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Nov 14 @ 8:32 AM ET
Dear God...why? It will only get ruined.
- Jsaquella



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 14 @ 8:35 AM ET
My issue has never been with AMac himself. I just think you can find similar guys for less money.

In the case of the Flyers alone, Nick Schultz has given them the same kind of play MacDonald was, and I'd argue that Michael Del Zotto has been better than what MacDonald was giving them.

- Jsaquella



Nick Schultz has not been giving the same kind of play as MacDonald was, or is capable of. Schultz does not move the puck as well, nor is he as good offensively. And It's great how Del Zotto is playing. So does that mean that we don't need another good mobile two defenseman in the lineup? And MacDonald is well worth the money. And let's see what Del Zotto will cost the Flyers to retain.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 14 @ 8:45 AM ET
2-5 w/ Amac in the lineup, 5-2 w/o him. Just sayin'
- Tomahawk


Enough with the advanced stats
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 14 @ 8:53 AM ET
My issue has never been with AMac himself. I just think you can find similar guys for less money.

In the case of the Flyers alone, Nick Schultz has given them the same kind of play MacDonald was, and I'd argue that Michael Del Zotto has been better than what MacDonald was giving them.

- Jsaquella


MDZ plays against far weaker competition than MacDonald.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 14 @ 8:54 AM ET
I'm going to survive this season by imagining MDZ is the one making $5M and AMac's the guy making $1.3M.
- Tomahawk


And imagining that MDZ is not getting the easiest minutes on the team alongside Luke Schenn.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Nov 14 @ 9:13 AM ET
MDZ plays against far weaker competition than MacDonald.
- Feanor

Actually MDZ has been playing top minutes for weeks now. He has performed GREAT! and we should absolutely extend him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 14 @ 9:21 AM ET
Actually MDZ has been playing top minutes for weeks now. He has performed GREAT! and we should absolutely extend him.
- GOA88


He wasn't referring to minutes played, he was referring to who he was playing those minutes against. The Flyers have been using Del Zotto exactly how he should be used. And when MacDonald gets back, and works into game shape, the defense will be that much stronger.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Nov 14 @ 9:22 AM ET
He wasn't referring to minutes played, he was referring to who he was playing those minutes against. The Flyers have been using Del Zotto exactly how he should be used. And when MacDonald gets back, and works into game shape, the defense will be that much stronger.
- MJL

If MDZ is playing 24-25 minutes a night he is absolutely being played against top competition. Its inevitable.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 14 @ 9:27 AM ET
If MDZ is playing 24-25 minutes a night he is absolutely being played against top competition. Its inevitable.
- GOA88



On some shifts, yes. But it's a total look at the overall competition. The biggest thing I see that is going to make the Flyers defense better. Is with the emergence of Del Zotto, the Flyers don't have to overplay MacDonald. And keep him closer to that 20 minute a game mark, which is where his icetime should be. We'll see what happens when he gets back.
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