I think Berube was being sarcastic and trying to be humorous there. But at always, there is always a little truth in humor.
- MJL

Exactly

Exactly
- bmeltzer

Not sure if you have the time Bill, but would be curious.

What are (new) realistic coaching candidates for the Flyers?

Or who would you like to see?

http://www.tsn.ca/the-cases-for-eric-lindros-and-don-baizley-in-the-hall-of-fame-1.133979
- MJL

Lindros absolutely deserves to be inducted if Bure and Neely were able to get in.

With this said, I found it odd that someone here I believe compared Giroux to Mats Sundin and saidSundin was nothing to sneeze at. I felt this was one of the oddest comments I've many odd comments made yesterday. If only Sundin, Forsberg, Pronger, Jagr and Lindros were on voting ballot tomorrow, guess who isn't going to make the cut? Longevity in my opinion is huge and the only thing holding the Big E back.

I think Berube was being sarcastic and trying to be humorous there. But at always, there is always a little truth in humor.
- MJL

It doesn't make it right. It was a very unprofessional and meatheaded response.

It doesn't make it right. It was a very unprofessional and meatheaded response.
- SuperSchennBros

You said in a previous post that as a fan and a professional, you want the truth! If it's okay for Hartnell to speak out, why isn't it for Berube?

You said in a previous post that as a fan and a professional, you want the truth! If it's okay for Hartnell to speak out, why isn't it for Berube?
- MJL

There is right way and the wrong way to respond. In this case, it's the GM's question to answer.

There is nothing wrong with taking things at face value Bill, but I don't.

Bill, were you in the room last summer when Berube blurted out "That's why we got rid of Hartnell" when a question was asked. I believe the question was directed at Hextall and asked about penalties.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
- SuperSchennBros

I wasn't there. It was at the season ticket holder town meeting. However, it wasn't a new statement.

From the Flyers perspective, there were things they wanted to install -- talking about both Berube and Hextall -- that they felt Hartnell didn't buy into enough (at least to their liking). If you have seen the new sign that has posted this season in the Flyers locker room at the Wells Fargo Center (which reads the way Hexy talks), I think you can read between the lines a bit: "If you can't do things our way, you're not getting time here AND WE DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE."

Hartnell has his own side to the story. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.

There is right way and the wrong way to respond. In this case, it's the GM's question to answer.
- SuperSchennBros

Honestly, I understand that you don't like the trade, and have been upset with it since it happened. But every response favors Hartnell. There's reasons why they traded him. Right or wrong. I think there needs to be some objectivity, and look at both sides. And as Bill says, truth is in the middle.

I wasn't there. It was at the season ticket holder town meeting. However, it wasn't a new statement.

From the Flyers perspective, there were things they wanted to install -- talking about both Berube and Hextall -- that they felt Hartnell didn't buy into enough (at least to their liking). If you have seen the new sign that has posted this season in the Flyers locker room at the Wells Fargo Center (which reads the way Hexy talks), I think you can read between the lines a bit: "If you can't do things our way, you're not getting time here AND WE DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE."

Hartnell has his own side to the story. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.
- bmeltzer

Berube's comment of "That's why we got rid of Hartnell" at a season ticket holder's town meeting and going 360 with a comment of "Hartnell and I are friends" yesterday, just to have Hartnell say differently today does not make me think highly of Berube as a person. He's known to many as a straight shooter. Not in this case.

Honestly, I understand that you don't like the trade, and have been upset with it since it happened. But every response favors Hartnell. There's reasons why they traded him. Right or wrong. I think there needs to be some objectivity, and look at both sides. And as Bill says, truth is in the middle.
- MJL

We traded him for RJ Umberger. Enough said.

We traded him for RJ Umberger. Enough said.
- SuperSchennBros

Was discussing why more or less they decided to trade him. Not the trade and the return itself. I'm not going to argue that the trade was a good trade overall.

I wasn't there. It was at the season ticket holder town meeting. However, it wasn't a new statement.

From the Flyers perspective, there were things they wanted to install -- talking about both Berube and Hextall -- that they felt Hartnell didn't buy into enough (at least to their liking). If you have seen the new sign that has posted this season in the Flyers locker room at the Wells Fargo Center (which reads the way Hexy talks), I think you can read between the lines a bit: "If you can't do things our way, you're not getting time here AND WE DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE."

Hartnell has his own side to the story. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.
- bmeltzer

I'll be honest, I hate that sign.

I'll be honest, I hate that sign.
- PhillySportsGuy

"Our way" is what exactly? Stupidity and inconsistency from the top?

Not sure if you have the time Bill, but would be curious.

What are (new) realistic coaching candidates for the Flyers?

Or who would you like to see?
- flyer_nutter

I don't think it's by any means a likelihood that Berube won't be back next season, especially if the team makes the playoffs again. People say the GM picks his own guy but everyone knew even last fall that Hextall was being groomed to be the next GM sooner rather than later and it's also notable that Berube wasn't named "interim" coach for the rest of the season.

If the team misses the playoffs or makes a quick exit in non-competitive fashion, then I think Berube may not be back. Long way off, though.

I'll be honest, I hate that sign.
- PhillySportsGuy

same

Was discussing why more or less they decided to trade him. Not the trade and the return itself. I'm not going to argue that the trade was a good trade overall.
- MJL

There is no other sports franchise on the face of the earth that I love more then the Philadelphia Flyers but I'm also not going to drink the Kool-aid. I don't see anything wrong with being critical if the organization does something I don't agree with.

I don't like how Peter Laviolette was handled. He was a Coach that got us to a Stanley Cup Final his first season behind the bench, then two years after never fell any shorter then his team getting knocked off in the second round. After that he has one disappointing season, during a half season and he's fired three games into a slow start? The half season should have meant something but very little. Who knows if all the players were playing or even working out. Yes, I'm aware that Giroux, Briere, Voracek and Simmonds were definitely over seas but in a situation like that, I think any shortcomings fall upon the shoulders of the collective group.

I don't like How Simon Gagne was handled after the shorten season. He earned a new deal. He thought for an entire summer he was going to get one. Most of us were lead to believe that it was going to happen. There was no reason not to believe it. Out of respect for the player, at least offer a tryout so he can at least see a chance to continue his career elsewhere or cut off talks mid summer and announce that it's just not going to happen. We brought in Lecavalier, we signed a kid over seas who looks like he can do a suitable job in Gagne's place. There are just better ways to handle things respectfully.

I've already given my examples of Hartnell. I've thought the deal was a terrible deal from day one. Hartnell obviously has some thoughts as to why and how he fell out of favour. Whether or not he chose to keep them to himself or speak openly, the Flyers traded that respect away.

I'm just not going to be a homer about every move they make.

same
- BulliesPhan87

DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY OR WE WILL HAVE YOU TRADED! I AM THE LAW!

I don't think it's by any means a likelihood that Berube won't be back next season, especially if the team makes the playoffs again. People say the GM picks his own guy but everyone knew even last fall that Hextall was being groomed to be the next GM sooner rather than later and it's also notable that Berube wasn't named "interim" coach for the rest of the season.

If the team misses the playoffs or makes a quick exit in non-competitive fashion, then I think Berube may not be back. Long way off, though.
- bmeltzer

Was kind of hoping you'd give a little juice and throw out some candidate names, as honestly I have no idea.

Thank you though, rock on Bill.

There is no other sports franchise on the face of the earth that I love more then the Philadelphia Flyers but I'm also not going to drink the Kool-aid. I don't see anything wrong with being critical if the organization does something I don' agree with.

I don't like how Peter Laviolette was handled. He was a Coach that got us to a Stanley Cup his first season behind the bench, then two years after never fell any shorter then his team getting knocked off in the second round. After that he has one disappointing season, during a half season and he's fired three games into a slow start? The half season should have meant something but very little. Who knows if all the players were playing or even working out. Yes, I'm aware that Giroux, Briere, Voracek and Simmonds were definitely over seas but in a situation like that, I think any shortcomings fall upon the shoulders of the collective group.

I don't like How Simon Gagne was handled after the shorten season. He earned a new deal. He thought for an entire summer he was going to get one. Most of us were lead to believe that it was going to happen. There was no reason not to believe it. Out of respect for the player, at least offer a tryout to he can at least see a chance to continue his career elsewhere or cut off talks mid summer and announce that it's just not going to happen. We bought in Lecavalier, we signed a kid over seas who looks like he can do a suitable job in Gagne's place. There are just better ways to handle things respectfully.

I've already give my examples of Hartnell. I've thought the deal was a terrible deal from day one. Hartnell obviously has some thoughts as to why and how he fell out of favour. Whether or not he chose to keep them to himself or speak openly, the Flyers traded that respect away.

I'm just not going to be a homer about there every move.
- SuperSchennBros

The Gagne situation was poorly handled. I am transcribing Jay Greenberg's interviews for the 50th Anniversary History of the Flyers coming out in a few years. I'm about 2 hours into the Gagne stuff. The Flyers handled it terribly. Gagne was led on to believe the team was only waiting to create a little cap space and told agent Bob Sauve he didn't want to play for any other team and he didn't want to waste anyone's time. In the end, the Flyers suddenly had room for Daniel Cleary (who, of course, turned them down and stayed in Detroit after initially saying he was coming to Philly) and told Gagne they were no longer interested.

Lots of interesting stuff from Gagne. He still wouldn't trade his years here for anything, BTW.

Was kind of hoping you'd give a little juice and throw out some candidate names, as honestly I have no idea.

Thank you though, rock on Bill.
- flyer_nutter

Well, there are no current internal candidates. The big name who may be out there is Mike Babcock but that's a stretch right now.

Well, there are no current internal candidates. The big name who may be out there is Mike Babcock but that's a stretch right now.
- bmeltzer

You have to think Dan Bylsma doesnt stay unemployed for long, not that I either expect or desire him to come here.

The Gagne situation was poorly handled. I am transcribing Jay Greenberg's interviews for the 50th Anniversary History of the Flyers coming out in a few years. I'm about 2 hours into the Gagne stuff. The Flyers handled it terribly. Gagne was led on to believe the team was only waiting to create a little cap space and told agent Bob Sauve he didn't want to play for any other team and he didn't want to waste anyone's time. In the end, the Flyers suddenly had room for Daniel Cleary (who, of course, turned them down and stayed in Detroit after initially saying he was coming to Philly) and told Gagne they were no longer interested.

Lots of interesting stuff from Gagne. He still wouldn't trade his years here for anything, BTW.
- bmeltzer

I'll never forget in 8th grade, for whatever reason, the Flyers had a literary initiative that we did. Nevertheless, best moment in that program was some poor girl trying to pronounce Gagne's name. It came out:

SEA-MOAN GAG-KNEE

You have to think Dan Bylsma doesnt stay unemployed for long, not that I either expect or desire him to come here.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Dude is looking to get paid too.

The Gagne situation was poorly handled. I am transcribing Jay Greenberg's interviews for the 50th Anniversary History of the Flyers coming out in a few years. I'm about 2 hours into the Gagne stuff. The Flyers handled it terribly. Gagne was led on to believe the team was only waiting to create a little cap space and told agent Bob Sauve he didn't want to play for any other team and he didn't want to waste anyone's time. In the end, the Flyers suddenly had room for Daniel Cleary (who, of course, turned them down and stayed in Detroit after initially saying he was coming to Philly) and told Gagne they were no longer interested.

Lots of interesting stuff from Gagne. He still wouldn't trade his years here for anything, BTW.
- bmeltzer

THANKS YOU BILL!!! THANK YOU!!!!

After all the fighting and debating, it was exactly what we all saw! I never understood how anyone could debate or see things any different!

EDIT

I'm really sorry about all the grammar and spelling mistakes made.

Dude is looking to get paid too.
- KGBflyers10

He's got a Stanley Cup on his resume, I'm sure he will get paid. If Babcock leaves Detroit, you can expect him to get paid very well.