well, he chose to go play in the KHL bc its much easier, and probably to be closer to home, so id say he didnt care to much about trying to break that record...
- JLT168

Maybe. It certainly seems that he'd enjoying himself much more nowadays in the NHL than he did before. He's treating every day like it's a dream come true and has really embraced the game. I don't think the record was the #1 thing on his mind, but that still doesn't mean he wouldn't have done it had he stayed.

Maybe. It certainly seems that he'd enjoying himself much more nowadays in the NHL than he did before. He's treating every day like it's a dream come true and has really embraced the game. I don't think the record was the #1 thing on his mind, but that still doesn't mean he wouldn't have done it had he stayed.
- jmatchett383

agreed, he may have, but its kind of like saying mario may have been able to come close or break the record had he not been diagnosed with hodgkins and taken a couple years off

agreed, he may have, but its kind of like saying mario may have been able to come close or break the record had he not been diagnosed with hodgkins and taken a couple years off
- JLT168

Absolutely. It's just a nice little thought to consider. I thought I'd lend some numbers (and was a bit surprised). I think that the time away from the NHL saved a lot of wear and tear on both Mario and Jagr, but there's no denying that they're both all-time greats and legendary players. I feel lucky to have been able to watch them both play in-person.

Absolutely. It's just a nice little thought to consider. I thought I'd lend some numbers (and was a bit surprised). I think that the time away from the NHL saved a lot of wear and tear on both Mario and Jagr, but there's no denying that they're both all-time greats and legendary players. I feel lucky to have been able to watch them both play in-person.
- jmatchett383

ditto indeed

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but like i said earlier, is dallas making room for another D man??? if so who?

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but like i said earlier, is dallas making room for another D man??? if so who?
- JLT168

I don't think they are, not any more than they were a month ago. I think they saw Gonchar as a spare part, nothing more, and decided to move on.

I just think that as penguins fans, we have become wayyy to accustom to trades with the last regime. Of course we had the Neal one already, but that was bound to happen and was needed to head in the right direction. Look where we are now. I only think martin becomes expendable near the deadline IF pouliot and harrington prove their worth. I would rather see scuds go and use that cap to resign martin for what he's making now (maybe 5.5). or just let him walk after we take the cup. We have a solid team as is. True that an injury to the top 6 would hurt, but we can survive it. I mean.. look at last year, we still finished top of the division... We can always slide sill/megna to the fourth line and bump some guys up until whoever is hurt is healthy
- znagle

I agree, Skuds goes and Martin can stay. Simple plans are the best..

I agree, Skuds goes and Martin can stay. Simple plans are the best..
- powerhouse

Unless some team gets absolutely wrecked by injuries and is cool with throwing away next year, I can't see Scuderi getting moves unless the Penguins take a loss on the deal.

Edit: By a loss, I mean include a 3rd round pick in return for a 5th round pick.

Unless some team gets absolutely wrecked by injuries and is cool with throwing away next year, I can't see Scuderi getting moves unless the Penguins take a loss on the deal.

Edit: By a loss, I mean include a 3rd round pick in return for a 5th round pick.
- jmatchett383

I'm delusional enough to think he is playing better and someone (anyone?) will want him and I don't care if we get a box of Ivory, dry your skin out soap for him. As long as someone takes him and his salary, that's the tricky part, I will be very happy. If that happens, and you are in the vicinity I will drink my favorite wine and feed you and anyone else drinks till we get our fill. Let the young guys play!

Unless some team gets absolutely wrecked by injuries and is cool with throwing away next year, I can't see Scuderi getting moves unless the Penguins take a loss on the deal.

Edit: By a loss, I mean include a 3rd round pick in return for a 5th round pick.
- jmatchett383

I dunno couldnt this be similiar to the jokinen deal, sure jokinen had a ton more upside, and actually had some talent, but couldnt we trade him to a team in need of veteran D, maybe add a draft pick to help entice, retain some amount of the caphit, and in return get a higher draft pick? even if that means we give up a 5th rounder just to get a 4th rounder, or something along those lines?

we should be asking dallas right now what it would take for them to take scurderi, ninja edit, way to bold hahaha

I'm delusional enough to think he is playing better and someone (anyone?) will want him and I don't care if we get a box of Ivory, dry your skin out soap for him. As long as someone takes him and his salary, that's the tricky part, I will be very happy. If that happens, and you are in the vicinity I will drink my favorite wine and feed you and anyone else drinks till we get our fill. Let the young guys play!
- powerhouse

I think there's a better chance of them moving Letang than Scuderi (for different reasons, obviously). I can't see how any team would want Scuderi and his contract unless the Penguins make it worth their while with other assets. Next year is a different story.

I dunno couldnt this be similiar to the jokinen deal, sure jokinen had a ton more upside, and actually had some talent, but couldnt we trade him to a team in need of veteran D, maybe add a draft pick to help entice, retain some amount of the caphit, and in return get a higher draft pick? even if that means we give up a 5th rounder just to get a 4th rounder, or something along those lines?

we should be asking dallas right now what it would take for them to take scurderi
- JLT168

If there were no more years left on the deal, yes, so next year, maybe. But not this year, I don't think so.

Unless some team gets absolutely wrecked by injuries and is cool with throwing away next year, I can't see Scuderi getting moves unless the Penguins take a loss on the deal.

Edit: By a loss, I mean include a 3rd round pick in return for a 5th round pick.
- jmatchett383

Scuds has actually played pretty quality hockey this year. I'm sure they can find someone in need of a dman to either mentor the teams younger d, or to play out the final few years or the remainder of this year and just buy him out

I think there's a better chance of them moving Letang than Scuderi (for different reasons, obviously). I can't see how any team would want Scuderi and his contract unless the Penguins make it worth their while with other assets. Next year is a different story.
- jmatchett383

They will not move Letang. There is no chance of this happening for years to come at least. He's the main part of our defense, that

Scuds has actually played pretty quality hockey this year. I'm sure they can find someone in need of a dman to either mentor the teams younger d, or to play out the final few years or the remainder of this year and just buy him out
- znagle

The buyout penalty, after this season, isn't too bad.

2015-16 $1,291,667
2016-17 $1,791,667
2017-18 $916,667
2018-19 $916,667

Still, I don't think any team's looking to give away quality assets just to throw money at a player to not play for them.

They will not move Letang. There is no chance of this happening for years to come at least. He's the main part of our defense, that
- znagle

I don't doubt it. I'm just stating that I think it's more likely that they choose to move on from Letang than some team comes calling for Scuderi.

I think there's a better chance of them moving Letang than Scuderi (for different reasons, obviously). I can't see how any team would want Scuderi and his contract unless the Penguins make it worth their while with other assets. Next year is a different story.
- jmatchett383

I would imagine more people are interested in Letang but Skuds is playing better and may be a serviceable defenseman who brings experience to the position. It's his pricetag that may scare some away, IMO.

I would imagine more people are interested in Letang but Skuds is playing better and may be a serviceable defenseman who brings experience to the position. It's his pricetag that may scare some away, IMO.
- powerhouse

I think it's not just the price tag, more the price tag and years. Plus, he has a modified NTC, so he could possibly reject a trade unless he's going to a contender. If he's actually playing so well, then the Penguins should be reluctant to "dump" him as many people are calling for.

Sutter letang for kesler and ahi 1st

I think it's not just the price tag, more the price tag and years. Plus, he has a modified NTC, so he could possibly reject a trade unless he's going to a contender. If he's actually playing so well, then the Penguins should be reluctant to "dump" him as many people are calling for.
- jmatchett383

It's complicated. Shero brought him in. We all welcomed him back and he sh*t the bed. Now we have a new GM and coach who seem to want to play the young talent. Plus, he is a serviceable 3rd liner D but he does kill penalties. Yeah and the limited trade thing is well, limiting. You know.

Sutter letang for kesler and ahi 1st
- Palmer117

No. Back away from the keyboard and look at what you typed. Come on. You high?

No. Back away from the keyboard and look at what you typed. Come on. You high?
- powerhouse

Look how deep the draft is next year

No. Back away from the keyboard and look at what you typed. Come on. You high?
- powerhouse

Look how deep the draft is next year
- Palmer117

Anaheim would laugh and hang up the phone.

The 2015 draft isn't that deep either, it's just has a lot of elite franchise talent in the top 3 or 4 picks.

Look how deep the draft is next year
- Palmer117

I don't think you want to give away Letang and Sutter for a pigeon coop. No matter how deep the draft, it would take years to develop the talent you hope is there. By then Sid and Geno will have canes and eating Jello in their rocking chairs. No. If you are not high are you drunk? Just asking.