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YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
Location: TN
Joined: 09.29.2013

Nov 11 @ 11:46 PM ET
TRADE MARIO!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. "The sky is falling, THE SKY IS FALLING"

1 power play goal against in forever.

Best power play in the league.

One of the deepest defenses.

7 and 1 in the last 8.

Losses happen. Take a Ritalin.

- Topshelf Mountain

Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Nov 11 @ 11:47 PM ET
Wrong
- Dcoms


So we're counting exhibition games now? He's played two games of consequence for the Penguins.
MeanestOfTimes
New York Rangers
Location: Huntington, NY
Joined: 03.19.2012

Nov 12 @ 3:34 AM ET
As a Rangers fan I obviously respect the talent the Pens have, nd would not have been surprised if the score had been reversed tonight.

It's hard for me to fathom how we can lose to TOR nd Edmonton, but manage to beat the hottest team in the league 5-0.

Am I glad we seem to match up well against Pittsburgh? As a fan, against a division rival, obviously yes. Yet you guys are running away with the East 15 games into the season tho, without Malkins line going nd Dupuis showing his age.

Give the season 25 games before demanding changes..know it's a sore subject, but idk there's a single Ranger fan who had Stanley cup hopes at this point last season.
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Nov 12 @ 5:01 AM ET

Morning after analysis. It was played evenly for like 5 minutes. Then, when the Rangers scored they really got a lot of energy from that and shifted to another gear. We tried to respond and almost had a goal. Then they started going in for the Rangers like quarters in a slot machine. We played bad in both ends of the ice, losing puck battles, Rangers forecheck was smothering us and we had no response other than overhandle the puck and turn it over.

There were a ton of turnovers by us. And Fleury could not stop those shots. Rangers looked confident and we looked frustrated by the time we woke up we were down 4-0.

Juggling the lines seemed to wake us up. 4th line was the best line last night? Can't believe I just typed that. Despres looked bad.

Good thing it's only two points per game, go and regroup. I've said this numerous times but we are too small up front, need more size up front. This is why I'm excited about Sundqvist and was pissed when he was sent back to Europe.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Nov 12 @ 5:53 AM ET
I thought Fleury played well and probably kept that game from being 10-0. The times he was allowed to do his job that is.
87_71_11_29
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: In a van down by the river, PA
Joined: 01.18.2007

Nov 12 @ 6:40 AM ET
Morning after analysis. It was played evenly for like 5 minutes. Then, when the Rangers scored they really got a lot of energy from that and shifted to another gear. We tried to respond and almost had a goal. Then they started going in for the Rangers like quarters in a slot machine. We played bad in both ends of the ice, losing puck battles, Rangers forecheck was smothering us and we had no response other than overhandle the puck and turn it over.

There were a ton of turnovers by us. And Fleury could not stop those shots. Rangers looked confident and we looked frustrated by the time we woke up we were down 4-0.

Juggling the lines seemed to wake us up. 4th line was the best line last night? Can't believe I just typed that. Despres looked bad.

Good thing it's only two points per game, go and regroup. I've said this numerous times but we are too small up front, need more size up front. This is why I'm excited about Sundqvist and was pissed when he was sent back to Europe.

- powerhouse

I've been harping on the size thing as well. Most folks on this board don't put much stock in that including RW. More interested in the skill/possession side of the game.

We've seen this at times this year when the other team turns up the heat. You can literally almost see them wilting. Ominous signs indeed.

Its still early and moves are to be made. I actually believe GMJR understands this teams flaws. He proved that to me with the Neal trade and the Downie/Comeau signings. I have faith he'll address it before April.

Until then, I'll enjoy them winning most games and passing the puck around scoring goals. Nothing wrong with being entertained!
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Nov 12 @ 7:01 AM ET
Morning after analysis. It was played evenly for like 5 minutes. Then, when the Rangers scored they really got a lot of energy from that and shifted to another gear. We tried to respond and almost had a goal. Then they started going in for the Rangers like quarters in a slot machine. We played bad in both ends of the ice, losing puck battles, Rangers forecheck was smothering us and we had no response other than overhandle the puck and turn it over.

There were a ton of turnovers by us. And Fleury could not stop those shots. Rangers looked confident and we looked frustrated by the time we woke up we were down 4-0.

Juggling the lines seemed to wake us up. 4th line was the best line last night? Can't believe I just typed that. Despres looked bad.

Good thing it's only two points per game, go and regroup. I've said this numerous times but we are too small up front, need more size up front. This is why I'm excited about Sundqvist and was pissed when he was sent back to Europe.

- powerhouse

I really think that play where Glass saved a sure goal was the key right there. If you guys took the lead momentum could've swung your way.
87_71_11_29
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: In a van down by the river, PA
Joined: 01.18.2007

Nov 12 @ 7:55 AM ET
I really think that play where Glass saved a sure goal was the key right there. If you guys took the lead momentum could've swung your way.
- rangerdanger94

Perhaps but I still doubt it. Rangers handed the Pens their asses. They were the more energized, engaged team all night.
Vegasman
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: las Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.20.2014

Nov 12 @ 8:11 AM ET
If you think that the loss to the Rangers in the playoffs was Fleury's fault and tonight was as well then you need to quit drinking. They lost in the playoffs because they high touted offense dried up in the four games that they could have eliminated the Rangers.

As for tonight the entire team was crap. Fleury was left on his own.

- Ben37


I know you love Fleury and that's your choice but if you think this guy has been a big game player in the tough games the last five years then you need to revisit his record. Last year in what I consider the tough games (i.e., road games against playoff teams and the playoffs themselves) your boy was 6-9 in the regular season on the road with 3 wins in shootouts! Whoops there are no shootouts in the playoffs!! Also in the other three wins the team averaged 4 goals and one win was against the Flyers when they couldn't beat anyone. Go to the Columbus series where his GAA was over 3 - how many teams average 4 goals/game in the playoffs? Just the ones that have to bail out there goalie. In the Ranger series the guy's save % in the 5 games (w/o) the shutouts was under .90%.

As far as "quit drinking" another immature comment by you. I'll tell you what when you get out of college or high school come to Vegas and bring your homerism and money, those of us who bet hockey like people who talk with their heart and not with their mind!!

For your information if you wagered against your boy in the road games on the "puck line" you have a 13-2 record. - But wait it's never Fleury's fault.

I don't blame him solely for last nights lose but in the last 5 years he has been the biggest reason for this teams failures but not the only reason.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Nov 12 @ 8:17 AM ET
I know you love Fleury and that's your choice but if you think this guy has been a big game player in the tough games the last five years then you need to revisit his record. Last year in what I consider the tough games (i.e., road games against playoff teams and the playoffs themselves) your boy was 6-9 in the regular season on the road with 3 wins in shootouts! Whoops there are no shootouts in the playoffs!! Also in the other three wins the team averaged 4 goals and one win was against the Flyers when they couldn't beat anyone. Go to the Columbus series where his GAA was over 3 - how many teams average 4 goals/game in the playoffs? Just the ones that have to bail out there goalie. In the Ranger series the guy's save % in the 5 games (w/o) the shutouts was under .90%.

As far as "quit drinking" another immature comment by you. I'll tell you what when you get out of college or high school come to Vegas and bring your homerism and money, those of us who bet hockey like people who talk with their heart and not with their mind!!

For your information if you wagered against your boy in the road games on the "puck line" you have a 13-2 record. - But wait it's never Fleury's fault.

I don't blame him solely for last nights lose but in the last 5 years he has been the biggest reason for this teams failures but not the only reason.

- Vegasman

I thought fleury was the only reason this game wasn't 10-0. If you wanna know why the penguins struggle to win when the going gets tough in the playoffs, look up crosby's production. He gets shut down. Fleury obviously lets in softies every couple games in the playoffs too.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Nov 12 @ 8:28 AM ET
I thought fleury was the only reason this game wasn't 10-0. If you wanna know why the penguins struggle to win when the going gets tough in the playoffs, look up crosby's production. He gets shut down. Fleury obviously lets in softies every couple games in the playoffs too.
- rangerdanger94

I'd debate that. Crosby had an injury last year and Boston was dominant the year before. However 87/71 are both over a ppg in the playoffs.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Nov 12 @ 8:32 AM ET
I'd debate that. Crosby had an injury last year and Boston was dominant the year before. However 87/71 are both over a ppg in the playoffs.
- dbell646

87 and 71 perform well in the playoffs but I'm saying when you guys lose, on top of fleury imploding, 87 and 71 get shut down.

In the rangers pens series last year, crosby had 3 points in 7 games including 1 multi point game so he was basically held pointless for 5 out of the 7 games including the final 3. I thought crosby told the media he was healthy after that series too?
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Nov 12 @ 8:45 AM ET
Beau can't be bottom six if Comeau plays any top six role. That just can't happen.

Also, I don't care about having size, it is a mental issue. Zuccarello was sticking it to Bortuzzo last night, Bortuzzo! You can't lose low battles when you have the size advantage to that degree.
Speaking of Bortuzzo, bad game for him. Flashes of good play, but he really shouldn't be anything more than a swing guy in a 6th defender role. Once he is anything outside the bottom pairing, you see too much that can be exposed.

Despres don't look pretty but he is very effective. He is doing well in the role and with the partner they have given him, but he is clearly ready for an expanded role.

Last night was just a stinker though. It showed you nothing outside of that in this league if a one team comes to play and the other doesn't 5-0 is easy to do. Pens need to find balance in their line up.
Beau was sheltered at 9:30 TOI, but should be practicing top six. If they want Geno to play with Hornqvist, Sid should get Beau. It is that simple. Keep Dupuis at left wing with Geno.

Also, Goc without Sill
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Nov 12 @ 8:47 AM ET
87 and 71 perform well in the playoffs but I'm saying when you guys lose, on top of fleury imploding, 87 and 71 get shut down.

In the rangers pens series last year, crosby had 3 points in 7 games including 1 multi point game so he was basically held pointless for 5 out of the 7 games including the final 3. I thought crosby told the media he was healthy after that series too?

- rangerdanger94


Yes, but you rarely beat good teams when their best players are producing.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Nov 12 @ 8:49 AM ET
Yes, but you rarely beat good teams when their best players are producing.
- usethe1-2-2


lol, WTF does that mean?
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Nov 12 @ 8:49 AM ET
87 and 71 perform well in the playoffs but I'm saying when you guys lose, on top of fleury imploding, 87 and 71 get shut down.

In the rangers pens series last year, crosby had 3 points in 7 games including 1 multi point game so he was basically held pointless for 5 out of the 7 games including the final 3. I thought crosby told the media he was healthy after that series too?

- rangerdanger94

What St. Louis family member are they going to kill off this year to get your team to rally? Maybe the ghost of Marty's great great grand father will rise up out of the MSG bowels and enchant his stick.
znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Nov 12 @ 8:50 AM ET
Beau can't be bottom six if Comeau plays any top six role. That just can't happen.

Also, I don't care about having size, it is a mental issue. Zuccarello was sticking it to Bortuzzo last night, Bortuzzo! You can't lose low battles when you have the size advantage to that degree.
Speaking of Bortuzzo, bad game for him. Flashes of good play, but he really shouldn't be anything more than a swing guy in a 6th defender role. Once he is anything outside the bottom pairing, you see too much that can be exposed.

Despres don't look pretty but he is very effective. He is doing well in the role and with the partner they have given him, but he is clearly ready for an expanded role.

Last night was just a stinker though. It showed you nothing outside of that in this league if a one team comes to play and the other doesn't 5-0 is easy to do. Pens need to find balance in their line up.
Beau was sheltered at 9:30 TOI, but should be practicing top six. If they want Geno to play with Hornqvist, Sid should get Beau. It is that simple. Keep Dupuis at left wing with Geno.

Also, Goc without Sill

- usethe1-2-2


^^this guy understands hockey.
znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Nov 12 @ 8:51 AM ET
What St. Louis family member are they going to kill off this year to get your team to rally? Maybe the ghost of Marty's great great grand father will rise up out of the MSG bowels and enchant his stick.
- nbartley9


jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Nov 12 @ 8:52 AM ET
What St. Louis family member are they going to kill off this year to get your team to rally? Maybe the ghost of Marty's great great grand father will rise up out of the MSG bowels and enchant his stick.
- nbartley9


ok, if this is the route we are going to go...Is Crosby going to pretend to have cancer like Mario did to rally the troops behind him?

(because you know, if we are going to say ridiculous things, we may as well just go for the most crazy)
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Nov 12 @ 8:52 AM ET
Yes, but you rarely beat good teams when their best players are producing.
- usethe1-2-2

The rangers were able to go to the scf despite nash not producing at all because of their depth last year. You guys simply arent as deep so if 87 or 71 get shut down, offense is really hard to come by and fleury is too inconsistent/fragile to win four 1-0 or 2-1 games in the playoffs.
Reverend Killtaker
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 07.02.2008

Nov 12 @ 8:52 AM ET
Here is my analysis about last night...and I'm being totally sincere....totally.

This loss is a direct relation to the scratching of Sill for Beau. Sill was obviously the heart and soul of the team for the last 7 games and 38 pks.

rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Nov 12 @ 8:56 AM ET
What St. Louis family member are they going to kill off this year to get your team to rally? Maybe the ghost of Marty's great great grand father will rise up out of the MSG bowels and enchant his stick.
- nbartley9

You can use that as an excuse to why you lost but the simple truth is the rangers elevated their game to a new level and dominated the final 3 games of that series in every single aspect. Was it rallying for st. louis or realizing that their entire season will be over if they lose 1 more game? Probably both...if you think the rangers would've rolled over and let you guys beat them if MSL's mother didnt pass away then you dont understand the concept of leadership and character in the playoffs.

Rangers wouldve elevated their game to a new intensity regardless of MSL's situation.
znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Nov 12 @ 8:58 AM ET
It's one damn loss, settle down everyone. It happens. We were flat footed and it was bound to happen, we're not going to go 70-10-2. How the hell do you guys blame fleury for this.... I swear most people on here act like the sky is falling after any loss or bad play that happens. It's hockey.

LETS TRADE MALKIN FOR A TOP 6 WINGER FOR MALKINS LINE AND TRADE FLEURY FOR A PICK GREISS IS NUMBER 1!!!!!!!!ONE1111!!
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Nov 12 @ 9:01 AM ET
The rangers were able to go to the scf despite nash not producing at all because of their depth last year. You guys simply arent as deep so if 87 or 71 get shut down, offense is really hard to come by and fleury is too inconsistent/fragile to win four 1-0 or 2-1 games in the playoffs.
- rangerdanger94


Exactly. The Penguins have failed to draft quality bottom six talent to help this team consistently produce. After 90+ games of having only two lines work, they get tired and they will get shut down. That is just the reality of this league.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Nov 12 @ 9:01 AM ET
It's one damn loss, settle down everyone. It happens. We were flat footed and it was bound to happen, we're not going to go 70-10-2. How the hell do you guys blame fleury for this.... I swear most people on here act like the sky is falling after any loss or bad play that happens. It's hockey.

LETS TRADE MALKIN FOR A TOP 6 WINGER FOR MALKINS LINE AND TRADE FLEURY FOR A PICK GREISS IS NUMBER 1!!!!!!!!ONE1111!!

- znagle

Indeed. The rangers came out flying after their worst weekend in recent history. Penguins just werent in sync. Bad recipe and it wasnt a true assessment of where these 2 team stand relative to each other. The next game should be more even and a better indicator of where these teams stand.
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