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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 6:59 PM ET
So to sum up what I just wasted time reading...

A borderline NHL/AHL gets to play on the 1st line to keep balance on the 4th line.
8 games is enough time to judge what a player will be in his career.
The coach is always right and doesn't play favorites.

Did I miss anything?

- five4fighting10


Yes apparently. It's to keep balance on all 4 lines, not just the 4th line. And nobody, myself included has stated that 8 games is enough time to judge what a player will be in his career. But it is certainly enough time to judge how he is currently playing, and whether he belongs in the lineup currently, or if other players are out playing him currently. And also, nobody has said the coach is always right, or that they don't play favorites. But Coaches have favorites for a reason. They just don't wake up and decide, I no longer like that player, just because.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:02 PM ET
For all who have any interest.

ISS top 30 for November


Rank Player Position Team League
1 McDavid, Connor C Erie OHL
2 Eichel, Jack C Boston University H.E.
3 Hanifin, Noah LD Boston College H.E.
4 Brazal, Mathew C Seattle WHL
5 Strome, Dylan C Erie OHL
6 Werenski, Zach RD Michigan BigTen
7 Kylington, Oliver RD Farhestad SweE
8 Zacha, Pavel C Sarnia OHL
9 Crouse, Lawson LW Kingston OHL
10 Konecny, Travis C Ottawa OHL
11 Connor, Kyle C Youngstown USHL
12 Rantanen, Mikko RW TPS Turku FinE
13 Marner, Mitchell C London OHL
14 Greenway, Jordan LW USA Under-18 NTDP
15 Bittner, Paul LW Portland WHL
16 White, Colin RW USA Under-18 NTDP
17 Bracco, Jeremy RW USA Under-18 NTDP
18 Sprong, Daniel RW Charlottetown QMJHL
19 Svechnikov, Evgeny RW Cape Breton QMJHL
20 Provorov, Ivan LD Brandon WHL
21 Carlsson, Gabriel D Linkoping SweJE
22 Spencer, Matthew RD Peterborough OHL
23 Roy, Nicolas C Chicoutimi QMJHL
24 Korostelev, Nikita RW Sarnia OHL
25 Harkins, Jansen C/LW Prince George WHL
26 Gropp, Ryan LW Seattle WHL
27 Roy, Jeremy RD Sherbrooke QMJHL
28 Knott, Graham LW Niagara OHL
29 Fischer, Christian C USA Under-18 NTDP
30 Boeser, Brock C Waterloo USHL
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:06 PM ET
For all who have any interest.

ISS top 30 for November


Rank Player Position Team League
1 McDavid, Connor C Erie OHL
2 Eichel, Jack C Boston University H.E.
3 Hanifin, Noah LD Boston College H.E.
4 Brazal, Mathew C Seattle WHL
5 Strome, Dylan C Erie OHL
6 Werenski, Zach RD Michigan BigTen
7 Kylington, Oliver RD Farhestad SweE
8 Zacha, Pavel C Sarnia OHL
9 Crouse, Lawson LW Kingston OHL
10 Konecny, Travis C Ottawa OHL
11 Connor, Kyle C Youngstown USHL
12 Rantanen, Mikko RW TPS Turku FinE
13 Marner, Mitchell C London OHL
14 Greenway, Jordan LW USA Under-18 NTDP
15 Bittner, Paul LW Portland WHL
16 White, Colin RW USA Under-18 NTDP
17 Bracco, Jeremy RW USA Under-18 NTDP
18 Sprong, Daniel RW Charlottetown QMJHL
19 Svechnikov, Evgeny RW Cape Breton QMJHL
20 Provorov, Ivan LD Brandon WHL
21 Carlsson, Gabriel D Linkoping SweJE
22 Spencer, Matthew RD Peterborough OHL
23 Roy, Nicolas C Chicoutimi QMJHL
24 Korostelev, Nikita RW Sarnia OHL
25 Harkins, Jansen C/LW Prince George WHL
26 Gropp, Ryan LW Seattle WHL
27 Roy, Jeremy RD Sherbrooke QMJHL
28 Knott, Graham LW Niagara OHL
29 Fischer, Christian C USA Under-18 NTDP
30 Boeser, Brock C Waterloo USHL

- ob18


Which one of those players is a Winger with a high skill level, good speed, decent size, ranked in the middle somewhere around 15-20?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:09 PM ET
Which one of those players is a Winger with a high skill level, good speed, decent size, ranked in the middle somewhere around 15-20?
- MJL


Too soon to guess that one but it depends on what skill you want...........snipper, shooter, grit, a bit of all them
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:09 PM ET
Leier just scored a power play goal.........1 - 0 Phantoms
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 5 @ 7:09 PM ET
For all who have any interest.

ISS top 30 for November


Rank Player Position Team League
1 McDavid, Connor C Erie OHL
2 Eichel, Jack C Boston University H.E.
3 Hanifin, Noah LD Boston College H.E.
4 Brazal, Mathew C Seattle WHL
5 Strome, Dylan C Erie OHL
6 Werenski, Zach RD Michigan BigTen
7 Kylington, Oliver RD Farhestad SweE
8 Zacha, Pavel C Sarnia OHL
9 Crouse, Lawson LW Kingston OHL
10 Konecny, Travis C Ottawa OHL
11 Connor, Kyle C Youngstown USHL
12 Rantanen, Mikko RW TPS Turku FinE
13 Marner, Mitchell C London OHL
14 Greenway, Jordan LW USA Under-18 NTDP
15 Bittner, Paul LW Portland WHL
16 White, Colin RW USA Under-18 NTDP
17 Bracco, Jeremy RW USA Under-18 NTDP
18 Sprong, Daniel RW Charlottetown QMJHL
19 Svechnikov, Evgeny RW Cape Breton QMJHL
20 Provorov, Ivan LD Brandon WHL
21 Carlsson, Gabriel D Linkoping SweJE
22 Spencer, Matthew RD Peterborough OHL
23 Roy, Nicolas C Chicoutimi QMJHL
24 Korostelev, Nikita RW Sarnia OHL
25 Harkins, Jansen C/LW Prince George WHL
26 Gropp, Ryan LW Seattle WHL
27 Roy, Jeremy RD Sherbrooke QMJHL
28 Knott, Graham LW Niagara OHL
29 Fischer, Christian C USA Under-18 NTDP
30 Boeser, Brock C Waterloo USHL

- ob18


Expected Marner & Crouse to be a bit higher. Bitter would be nice to land around 15
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:10 PM ET
Expected Marner & Crouse to be a bit higher. Bitter would be nice to land around 15
- Jsaquella


And very different players.

Marner more finesse with speed, skating, & slick hands.

Crouse power forward with good hands and shot.

If they want to remain patient I'd consider Greenway if not then I'd say Nikita Korostelev right now
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 5 @ 7:10 PM ET
Expected Marner & Crouse to be a bit higher. Bitter would be nice to land around 15
- Jsaquella

Too soon to guess that one but it depends on what skill you want...........snipper, shooter, grit, a bit of all them
- ob18


The typo game is strong here
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:11 PM ET
The typo game is strong here
- Giroux_Is_God


I give it my all sir
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 5 @ 7:12 PM ET
And very different players.

Marner more finesse with speed, skating, & slick hands.

Crouse power forward with good hands and shot.

If they want to remain patient I'd consider Greenway

- ob18


Greenway is a good one too, if they remain patient.

Mildly surprised Strome isn't 4th behind Hanifin
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 5 @ 7:13 PM ET
I give it my all sir
- ob18

So does VDV.

Now I understand why you're a ref.

Ek = Roob

E4.4
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 5 @ 7:13 PM ET
And very different players.

Marner more finesse with speed, skating, & slick hands.

Crouse power forward with good hands and shot.

If they want to remain patient I'd consider Greenway if not then I'd say Nikita Korostelev right now

- ob18

Crouse has "Guy I want that the Flyers will pass over" written all over him.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 5 @ 7:14 PM ET
Aren't you the one who droned on for weeks on end this summer about how Lecavalier would be wasted in a 4th line role because it doesn't play to his strengths? Shouldn't a coach's job be to try to get each player into a role best suited to his abilities?

Do you actually believe half the bullpoop you write, or just completely unaware that you have the same kind of biases as the people who you routinely bludgeon over the head with your opinion?

- Jsaquella


I think he's just (frank)ing with us. If so, he's the best troll I've ever seen.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 5 @ 7:14 PM ET
So does VDV.

Now I understand why you're a ref.

Ek = Roob

E4.4

- Giroux_Is_God

Woah bro, best not to agitate the law after violating Article 7, Paragraph 3 of the Hockeybuzz Code of Conduct.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:14 PM ET
Greenway is a good one too, if they remain patient.

Mildly surprised Strome isn't 4th behind Hanifin

- Jsaquella


Actually shocked they don't have Kylington over Brazal but I do like Strome........He's been much more of a pass first player.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:15 PM ET
Crouse has "Guy I want that the Flyers will pass over" written all over him.
- hereticpride


I've mentioned him often & if he continues to progress he may not even reach them so it may not even matter.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 5 @ 7:15 PM ET
Expected Marner & Crouse to be a bit higher. Bitter would be nice to land around 15
- Jsaquella


Marner is a softie
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:16 PM ET
Marner is a softie
- PhillySportsGuy


He's a small fry.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 5 @ 7:17 PM ET
He's a small fry.
- ob18

Yes
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 5 @ 7:19 PM ET
I've mentioned him often & if he continues to progress he may not even reach them so it may not even matter.
- ob18

You underestimate where I expect the Flyers to finish this year.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:20 PM ET
I think he's just (frank)ing with us. If so, he's the best troll I've ever seen.
- PhillySportsGuy


Are you calling someone on the board a troll?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:20 PM ET
You underestimate where I expect the Flyers to finish this year.
- hereticpride


I'd think in the 12 to 20 range is within reason
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 5 @ 7:25 PM ET
I'd think in the 12 to 20 range is within reason
- ob18

The fix is in man...

tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Nov 5 @ 7:26 PM ET
Are you calling someone on the board a troll?
- MJL


Given the wording, I believe it's not a proven troll, but more a poster with potential.

A troll prospect, if you will.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 5 @ 7:27 PM ET
Given the wording, I believe it's not a proven troll, but more a poster with potential.

A troll prospect, if you will.

- tangent_man

Too many yrs of minor league trolling, more of a suspect than a prospect now.
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