Q has 13 pts in 8 games 4 goals

A chance to play hockey yes. You flop that many prospects and I start to look to the guys in charge of developing them and having these guys play so few games is not good. JJ was compared to backstrom and had 10 pts in his first year in the NHL he played 28 games thats not bad at all. Tedenby also had a decent start to his career until someone decided he didn't play the way we would like him to.
- blizzzard

You're crazy, man. Who compared Josefson to Backstrom by the way? I'd love to read that article.

Sometimes you miss on 1st rounders...it happens. You can't only throw sh%$ against the wall so many times before realizing it aint gonna stick.

Actually i think hegleson would be recalled from albany and put into the lineup. larsson and gelinas will continue to play there on again off again system.
- devfan30

I think you had the wrong "H". Harrold would be re-called.

You're crazy, man. Who compared Josefson to Backstrom by the way? I'd love to read that article.

Sometimes you miss on 1st rounders...it happens. You can't only throw sh%$ against the wall so many times before realizing it aint gonna stick.
- jersey1414

How can you say he got any good oppertunites ? Which star player developed by watching that many hockey games in the press box. Again these guys didn't need to play regularly in the NHL they could of played a year or two in the AHL so they didn't get ruined. To be honest I think the process has been more flawed then the players. Parise would of been Parise on any team we didn't make him a star almost every team got a franchise player that draft. Do teams flop first round picks yes they do but how many of those teams didn't even try like we did with Tedenby/ JJ and arguably Larsson? Who is the best line mate JJ has ever had and how many minutes did he play with this player ? I don't get how you can call him poop and that he was poop from day one? What are all these oppertunities he has had ? that he has gotten in the game here and there ? I mean you can't expect any prospect to thrive playing with Cam Janssen and co. or never getting to play 3 games in a row. I'm not saying he will be anything it's been what two games ? I was just saying that he could of been a nice piece ( you don't have to be a 60 pt player to be a nice peice ) to have coming up with the current age of our forwards.

You're crazy, man. Who compared Josefson to Backstrom by the way? I'd love to read that article.

Sometimes you miss on 1st rounders...it happens. You can't only throw sh%$ against the wall so many times before realizing it aint gonna stick.
- jersey1414

And it was Wiki who compaired him to backstrom and Madden ( I never said anything other then he was compared to) but his stats from what I saw where decent when he was playing against players his age. I believe most of his time in sweden was spent playing against players older then he was except for in tournaments.

And it was Wiki who compaired him to backstrom and Madden ( I never said anything other then he was compared to) but his stats from what I saw where decent when he was playing against players his age. I believe most of his time in sweden was spent playing against players older then he was except for in tournaments.
- blizzzard

You know how Wiki works, right? lol.

Hey man, I hope you're right and JJ turns the corner. I'll end it at that.

You know how Wiki works, right? lol.

Hey man, I hope you're right and JJ turns the corner. I'll end it at that.
- jersey1414

Yea I do lol. Bottom line for me is if he can stay healthy then I would be really excited to see this kid once he has some confidence ! He is 23 so he has MAYBE a year after this one to see how good he ends up being. I don't think Boucher is a fit on a line with Ryder. They both need to be the shooters I hope Boucher gets on a line where he is the guy being set up. I am hoping we can move up in this draft somehow or gain another first round pick ( I would also love to see us in the play offs ) for this draft with it being so deep.

A chance to play hockey yes. You flop that many prospects and I start to look to the guys in charge of developing them and having these guys play so few games is not good. JJ was compared to backstrom and had 10 pts in his first year in the NHL he played 28 games thats not bad at all. Tedenby also had a decent start to his career until someone decided he didn't play the way we would like him to.
- blizzzard

I remember when teddy was drafted, they compared him to Markus naslund. I loled and loled and loled all night long.

Yea I do lol. Bottom line for me is if he can stay healthy then I would be really excited to see this kid once he has some confidence ! He is 23 so he has MAYBE a year after this one to see how good he ends up being. I don't think Boucher is a fit on a line with Ryder. They both need to be the shooters I hope Boucher gets on a line where he is the guy being set up. I am hoping we can move up in this draft somehow or gain another first round pick ( I would also love to see us in the play offs ) for this draft with it being so deep.
- blizzzard

Only way we get another first rounder in this draft is if we trade jagr at the deadline to a contender going all in for the cup. Which means it'll be a late first rounder but I guess we could use it. On JJ, I think you have more enthusiasm for his game then jj himself does haha

I remember when teddy was drafted, they compared him to Markus naslund. I loled and loled and loled all night long.
- shvingter88

That would of been nice. My new thing this year is I really want an nhl sized forward with dynamic skating abilities and offensive touch Someone who can take the puck from our end and carry it up like an elite level running back and score

Only way we get another first rounder in this draft is if we trade jagr at the deadline to a contender going all in for the cup. Which means it'll be a late first rounder but I guess we could use it. On JJ, I think you have more enthusiasm for his game then jj himself does haha
- rawwdogg88

I wouldnt call it enthusiasm lol I was more saying what he could of been lol I don't know what he will end up being now. I think we might be able to get a late one for Larsson. Even if we cant a first and 2 seconds would be nice to have lol fill those copboards ! nothing wrong with having an ahl team bursting at the seems with nhl talent like T bay

That would of been nice. My new thing this year is I really want an nhl sized forward with dynamic skating abilities and offensive touch Someone who can take the puck from our end and carry it up like an elite level running back and score
- blizzzard

Doesn't everyone

Doesn't everyone
- shvingter88

I don't know why aren't all our prospects considered to be amongst the best skaters in all of prospects ? I don't think we put to much stock into skating ability actually pretty sure they said once they only draft based off of hockey sense and how they think not how fast the skate or how hard they shoot or hit or how many goals they score they look for the plane jane lazy players who a smart players but will likely never be elite because they don't try hard enough or push themselves. John Merril comes to mind ( not that I am un happy with him or think he would be a good player ) he looks I don't know like a college kid, he doesnt look like he is in the best shape he could be in but he is a very smart player I don't notice him hustle much and yes alot of that has to do with being smart and in position to not have to hustle but he just looks like a player who when he is off is always chasing the play because he doesnt have that hustle or drive or speed to push through when his mind and sense are taking a break. We used to say similar things about Rico and what he would look like as a player if he was in the best shape he could be. I guess my point is you shouldn't just draft players like that you should take guys who are very elite in some areas and teach them in the other areas instead of drafting guys who rely to much on their sense and dont put enough into the other things.

I wouldnt call it enthusiasm lol I was more saying what he could of been lol I don't know what he will end up being now. I think we might be able to get a late one for Larsson. Even if we cant a first and 2 seconds would be nice to have lol fill those copboards ! nothing wrong with having an ahl team bursting at the seems with nhl talent like T bay
- blizzzard

oh ok I hear ya lol. In all seriousness I believe JJ can be a solid 3rd line center with good two way play. However, I also believe that's his ceiling. Larsson could probably net us a first rounder especially if pdb would show case him a little more. I'd love to have some homegrown talent groomed and bread the way it used to be in this organization compared to how it is now with over paying past their prime FA to patch up the lineup

oh ok I hear ya lol. In all seriousness I believe JJ can be a solid 3rd line center with good two way play. However, I also believe that's his ceiling. Larsson could probably net us a first rounder especially if pdb would show case him a little more. I'd love to have some homegrown talent groomed and bread the way it used to be in this organization compared to how it is now with over paying past their prime FA to patch up the lineup
- rawwdogg88

That's what I hate the most is drafting third and fourth line talent with top picks and then buying top line talent in free agency. It's a recipe for disaster if you ask me nothing worse then being in that no mans land year after years finishing 9-10 not good enough for the play offs never bad enough to get something to push you over that hump. It gives me nightmares. I would rather finish dead last once then finish 9-10 for 3-4 years and have some replacement third line players to show for it.

When JJ was drafted, he was drawing comparisons to Zetterberg.

Don't think he's Zetterberg good... yet. Those broken bones really wounded his progress, but he earned his way into the line-up and I'm glad we'll be seeing more of him. He's a responsible two-way center, just like we expected to draft

When JJ was drafted, he was drawing comparisons to Zetterberg.
Don't think he's Zetterberg good... yet. Those broken bones really wounded his progress, but he earned his way into the line-up and I'm glad we'll be seeing more of him. He's a responsible two-way center, just like we expected to draft
- archromat

that's not really fair to JJ.

No he isn't but you have to wonder that if he was ever given decent line mates and playing regularly for the past 3 years he might look like a lot better player today. He can carry the puck, has speed, is creative with the puck and plays an alright defensive game. I would say last year he is scratched more then he was injured. These guys where handled wrong, you can't say they weren't. If he was going to be sitting out this much or wasn't strong enough for the NHL game he should of been playing full years in albany not just down here and there for a handle of games. What's the most this guy has played in what? 4 years ? I don't think it's a stretch to think from the flashes he has shown that if he was given a real chance with real line mates early and or played every night he was healthy either in the NHL or AHL he would be or could be a nice little player right now. He still might not turn out to be anything but my point was he has played better then he ever has ( In a small sample size ) It's just hard not to think he could of been more then a healthy scratch 90% of the time.
- blizzzard

Linemates don't develop a player. Maybe JJ would have gotten more points, but I really don't think he would be further along.

I don't know why aren't all our prospects considered to be amongst the best skaters in all of prospects ? I don't think we put to much stock into skating ability actually pretty sure they said once they only draft based off of hockey sense and how they think not how fast the skate or how hard they shoot or hit or how many goals they score they look for the plane jane lazy players who a smart players but will likely never be elite because they don't try hard enough or push themselves. John Merril comes to mind ( not that I am un happy with him or think he would be a good player ) he looks I don't know like a college kid, he doesnt look like he is in the best shape he could be in but he is a very smart player I don't notice him hustle much and yes alot of that has to do with being smart and in position to not have to hustle but he just looks like a player who when he is off is always chasing the play because he doesnt have that hustle or drive or speed to push through when his mind and sense are taking a break. We used to say similar things about Rico and what he would look like as a player if he was in the best shape he could be. I guess my point is you shouldn't just draft players like that you should take guys who are very elite in some areas and teach them in the other areas instead of drafting guys who rely to much on their sense and dont put enough into the other things.
- blizzzard

I don't know, when I look at our picks in the top rounds I see all kinds of players. Tedenby and Berfors don't really fit the hockey IQ mould, Gelinas was a converted forward and it was known he would be a project at the draft. I don't think they shy away from certain skill types, you just don't get to draft elite prospects where we've picked other than Larsson. [/img]

I agree with the elias assessment. I thought I was the only one who noticed since nobody's really mentioned it. He's shown to be ageless up until this year. And instead of a slow decline and taking one step back its appears his decline is steep and rapid. He was still patty just 7 months ago. Idk what happened to him over the summer either. Lots of turnovers from him and his slick passing skills seems to have disappeared.
- rawwdogg88

I mentioned Elias slowing down and being invisible a few games ago & I'm sure I got the from someone.

He's too good to fall off so drastically, but his game has been invisible this season. Even Jagr has been pedestrian in my opinion. The decline is inevitable, but they'll come around a little bit. It just takes a little time for the older guys to find their legs.

Not that I think NJ will make the playoffs, but if they do they'll be glad Jagr & Elias are hitting their slump and dip in play early instead of late in the season or in the playoffs.

Jagr can still carry play & Elias can still create. Maybe they need the line shuffling to stop for consistency to develop.

I mentioned Elias slowing down and being invisible a few games ago & I'm sure I got the from someone.

He's too good to fall off so drastically, but his game has been invisible this season. Even Jagr has been pedestrian in my opinion. The decline is inevitable, but they'll come around a little bit. It just takes a little time for the older guys to find their legs.

Not that I think NJ will make the playoffs, but if they do they'll be glad Jagr & Elias are hitting their slump and dip in play early instead of late in the season or in the playoffs.

Jagr can still carry play & Elias can still create. Maybe they need the line shuffling to stop for consistency to develop.
- FLdevilsFAN

I'm not too worried about Elias but he does have to pick it up. He hasn't looked that bad but definitely not his normal self. He has at times though so I think it's just a matter of him starting off a little slow. Could also be because he still been primarily skating at center and we all know he is a much better Left winger.

Linemates don't develop a player. Maybe JJ would have gotten more points, but I really don't think he would be further along.
- rmdevil313

They do not but they do help a guy "make an impact" or "earn the coaches trust" as has always been the excuse for JJ getting sat. If he would of just played more and not been healthy scratched when he was healthy he would be a little farther a long but i'm not sure how much. I'm glad he is playing well we need to get whatever we can out of him. If all he becomes is a 3rd line center than so be it better than heading back to Sweden.

Linemates don't develop a player. Maybe JJ would have gotten more points, but I really don't think he would be further along.
- rmdevil313

ham sandwiches develops a player

I remember when teddy was drafted, they compared him to Markus naslund. I loled and loled and loled all night long.
- shvingter88

I'm pretty sure he was compared to the other Naslund, as in Mats

ham sandwiches develops a player
- MrToast