We finally get a 1st line centre who's (frank)in good
- twiztedmike

but you lose the main production pony!

tough one...

if leafs go for a better center

either kadri or bozak needs to go

but you lose the main production pony!

tough one...

if leafs go for a better center

either kadri or bozak needs to go
- Lucas Neilson

Bozak was in the deal proposed, no?

but you lose the main production pony!

tough one...

if leafs go for a better center

either kadri or bozak needs to go
- Lucas Neilson

Bozak goes in that deal. Assume Avs want to keep the chemistry of Bozak and Kessel.

If you want something of significance you've gotta give something up. Kessel has been there going on six years now with little team success, time to make some bold moves. Nonis would never do it because he's absolutely terrible at his job, his claim to fame is trading for Lu and he's still resting on those laurels all these years later.

His bad contracts in TO are starting to scratch the surface of Sather in New York.
- LeftCoaster

so how do we "balance" this commentary or put it in context when " a top 3 goalie in the world" gets dealt for a single mid-first draft pick?

in other words - how is a "top 3 goalie in the world" only worth a single mid round pick - yet the Leafs are supposed to give up Gardiner ++ for an aging center (clearly on the downside of his career)?

or Leafs are supposed to give up Kadri ++ to land Yandle and Vermette.

please explain how any of this could possibly make sense.

I do the trade for staal but protect the 1st rounder (top 10?). Both Gards and Kadri are flashy but terrible defensively and kadri cant win a draw.

The 1st rounder would be my only hesitation.

so how do we "balance" this commentary or put it in context when " a top 3 goalie in the world" gets dealt for a single mid-first draft pick?

in other words - how is a "top 3 goalie in the world" only worth a single mid round pick - yet the Leafs are supposed to give up Gardiner ++ for an aging center (clearly on the downside of his career)?

or Leafs are supposed to give up Kadri ++ to land Yandle and Vermette.

please explain how any of this could possibly make sense.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Cause kadri isnt that good? Boy has hands, but thats about it.

Actually - when Burkes contract wasn't renewed just before the 2004 draft, and Nonis took over, Nonis has publicly stated that they kept with the list that the scouting staff and BB put together…your move.
- LeftCoaster

Soo...Nonis drafted Schneider...or agreed to Burkes plan to draft Schneider...so both of them are responsible for drafting Schneider...so my point still stands...you should be thanking them

here's the difference, Mr. Eye.

Top teams core is made up of guys they drafted and developed.

Leafs core is made up of pieces that other teams were willing to part with

It's not rocket science
- TheThrill

Philly drafter Giroux number 22nd overall. With a good scouting department the leafs don't need to draft high to get a top end player. Plenty of really solid players go later than top 3.

Bozak goes in that deal. Assume Avs want to keep the chemistry of Bozak and Kessel.
- twiztedmike

i believe kessel's numbers are better without bozak

I do the trade for staal but protect the 1st rounder (top 10?). Both Gards and Kadri are flashy but terrible defensively and kadri cant win a draw.

The 1st rounder would be my only hesitation.
- TincupCanuck

I've been told draws are overvalued. They don't really mean anything.

I've been told draws are overvalued. They don't really mean anything.
- Aaron_85

who needs the puck?

Philly drafter Giroux number 22nd overall. With a good scouting department the leafs don't need to draft high to get a top end player. Plenty of really solid players go later than top 3.
- Aaron_85

It's still a really hard thing to do tho.

Hiring good scouts doesn't solve any problems.

so how do we "balance" this commentary or put it in context when " a top 3 goalie in the world" gets dealt for a single mid-first draft pick?

in other words - how is a "top 3 goalie in the world" only worth a single mid round pick - yet the Leafs are supposed to give up Gardiner ++ for an aging center (clearly on the downside of his career)?

or Leafs are supposed to give up Kadri ++ to land Yandle and Vermette.

please explain how any of this could possibly make sense.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Joe Thornton has not missed a game 2010-2011

since 2011-2012 he has been producing at a 0.91PPG pace

and maintaining it

10P in 11 games this season

so how do we "balance" this commentary or put it in context when " a top 3 goalie in the world" gets dealt for a single mid-first draft pick?

in other words - how is a "top 3 goalie in the world" only worth a single mid round pick - yet the Leafs are supposed to give up Gardiner ++ for an aging center (clearly on the downside of his career)?

or Leafs are supposed to give up Kadri ++ to land Yandle and Vermette.

please explain how any of this could possibly make sense.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I'm just trying to help

To my way of thinking the Leafs need to build a team that has strength down the middle, like most successful teams. It's the only way you're gonna have some success!!

You've got a superstar winger in Kessel and a great winger in JVR, and not a whole lot else that stands out.

First thing that should happen is they clean house from the coaching staff on up

Soo...Nonis drafted Schneider...or agreed to Burkes plan to draft Schneider...so both of them are responsible for drafting Schneider...so my point still stands...you should be thanking them
- jimi james

Well Gillis royally (frank)ed that up didn't he!!

Hopefully Horvat develops into a good two-way center.

Us too. Last year we did Dr. Doofenshmirtz and Perry. This year my girl wanted 3 Minions on one pumpkin and Jake and Finn from Adventure Time on the other. The Minions turned out great...the other pumpkin gets carved tonight. She's an excellent artist, so she draws the images and I carve away. But she keeps upping the detail. Getting this carving set for next year to try to make it easier. I have a dremel now that helps tons.
- Woderwick

We did the Dremel thing too with a special bit. Super detailed lines you cannot get with a knife.

I'm just trying to help

To my way of thinking the Leafs need to build a team that has strength down the middle, like most successful teams. It's the only way you're gonna have some success!!

You've got a superstar winger in Kessel and a great winger in JVR, and not a whole lot else that stands out.

First thing that should happen is they clean house from the coaching staff on up
- LeftCoaster

I agree, I keep JVR and deal kessel while his value is as high as its gonna get. He lacks the necessary effort and is too defensively irresponsible to win with.

I've been told draws are overvalued. They don't really mean anything.
- Aaron_85

the leafs hired the guy who wrote this

http://oilersnation.com/2...rrated-value-of-a-faceoff

the leafs hired the guy who wrote this

http://oilersnation.com/2...rrated-value-of-a-faceoff
- senstroll

Guy cant even work Microsoft Excel, why should we trust him?

Philly drafter Giroux number 22nd overall. With a good scouting department the leafs don't need to draft high to get a top end player. Plenty of really solid players go later than top 3.
- Aaron_85

Exception, not the rule

Joe Thornton has not missed a game 2010-2011

since 2011-2012 he has been producing at a 0.91PPG pace

and maintaining it

10P in 11 games this season
- Dozzer

Exactly. Which is why I want Staal. He is only 30. He isn't injury prone. Missed a handful of games his entite career. He isn't on the decline, Carolina just sucks. Staal with Kessel would be amazing.

People fail to realize you have to give to get. Then they have the nerve to complain about Bozak being our #1C. But if we give up Gardiner, Kadri or whatever, they complain it's too much. Like I said. You have to give to get.

Exception, not the rule
- TheThrill

adam foote / simon gagne / Mac Pacioretty / Jordan Eberle

are all 22nd overall picks.. you'd be surprised the gems you can find late in the first round if your scouts know what they are doing

http://www.mynhldraft.com...icks/22nd-overall/220509/

Exactly. Which is why I want Staal. He is only 30. He isn't injury prone. Missed a handful of games his entite career. He isn't on the decline, Carolina just sucks. Staal with Kessel would be amazing.

People fail to realize you have to give to get. Then they have the nerve to complain about Bozak being our #1C. But if we give up Gardiner, Kadri or whatever, they complain it's too much. Like I said. You have to give to get.
- MCharisma91

Agree with this. Staal is a stud. Kadri and Gardiner are hope, nothing else.

Exception, not the rule
- TheThrill

Ryan O'Reilly?
Cory Schneider?
Tuuka Rask?
TJ Oshie?
James Neal?
Martin Hanzal?
Paul Stastny?
Semyon Varlamov?
Milan Lucic?
Shea Weber?
Jordan Eberle?
Max Pacioretty?
PK Subban?
Wayne Simmonds?
Tyler Toffoli?
Brock Nelson?

The list goes on and on of pretty good players taken between 15 and 60, first and second round.

adam foote / simon gagne / Mac Pacioretty / Jordan Eberle

are all 22nd overall picks.. you'd be surprised the gems you can find late in the first round if your scouts know what they are doing

http://www.mynhldraft.com...icks/22nd-overall/220509/
- Dozzer

tyler biggs