Not as good as April Reimer
- TheThrill

just draft and develop
until the team is a contender

this has to happen for years and years before it makes any sense to trade for old players again
- senstroll

I agree there. That's the only way to win. but it would be nice to offload some of the poop core that's keeping them semi-competitive so they can draft a true difference maker

RoR would be a really good choice.
- The Law

That's what I was thinking? ROR & a 1st for Kessel and Gardiner? Something along those lines?

That's what I was thinking? ROR & a 1st for Kessel and Gardiner? Something along those lines?
- LeftCoaster

LOL

I agree there. That's the only way to win. but it would be nice to offload some of the poop core that's keeping them semi-competitive so they can draft a true difference maker
- TheThrill

lets offload some of the core for better core players till the Leafs are a contender

LOL
- DougGilmour_93

Massage it

So gardiner+ for thorton

kadri+pick for yandle, Vermette

That's what I was thinking? ROR & a 1st for Kessel and Gardiner? Something along those lines?
- LeftCoaster

I'm not Kessel's #1 fan but he's too dynamic for them to move him.

I think you'd be looking at the standard Kadri or Gardiner or both.

I'm not Kessel's #1 fan but he's too dynamic for them to move him.

I think you'd be looking at the standard Kadri or Gardiner or both.
- The Law

If you want something of significance you've gotta give something up. Kessel has been there going on six years now with little team success, time to make some bold moves. Nonis would never do it because he's absolutely terrible at his job, his claim to fame is trading for Lu and he's still resting on those laurels all these years later.

His bad contracts in TO are starting to scratch the surface of Sather in New York.

If you want something of significance you've gotta give something up. Kessel has been there going on six years now with little team success, time to make some bold moves. Nonis would never do it because he's absolutely terrible at his job, his claim to fame is trading for Lu and he's still resting on those laurels all these years later.

His bad contracts in TO are starting to scratch the surface of Sather in New York.
- LeftCoaster

If they move Kessel they are a lottery team no doubt, I love Phil. But may be the right move. According to some statisticians too the Leafs would've lost every game so far this year if Kessel wasn't around. You know, because if Kessel scores that's the only way the Leafs win.

I agree there. That's the only way to win. but it would be nice to offload some of the poop core that's keeping them semi-competitive so they can draft a true difference maker
- TheThrill

thanks thrillius maximus

least someone came out of the woodwork from fantasy leaf tradeville

If you want something of significance you've gotta give something up. Kessel has been there going on six years now with little team success, time to make some bold moves. Nonis would never do it because he's absolutely terrible at his job, his claim to fame is trading for Lu and he's still resting on those laurels all these years later.

His bad contracts in TO are starting to scratch the surface of Sather in New York.
- LeftCoaster

Yeah drafting Schneider means nothing.
Just think, if Nonis didnt draft Schneider, you'd prob still have Gillis as your GM.
Just think.

If you want something of significance you've gotta give something up. Kessel has been there going on six years now with little team success, time to make some bold moves. Nonis would never do it because he's absolutely terrible at his job, his claim to fame is trading for Lu and he's still resting on those laurels all these years later.

His bad contracts in TO are starting to scratch the surface of Sather in New York.
- LeftCoaster

Ya but Kessel has a lot more value then RoR does right now. Maybe in a few years RoR will take that next step but right now he isn't even the best player on his team. He's not in that class yet. JvR might be a better comparison to RoR.

And trust me ..I'm a big fan of guys like RoR.

Jays should sign Billy Butler.

Kessel, Bozak for Duchene + 1st

Avs have ROR, MacKinnon and Landeskog

Lupul, Duchene, JVR
Kadri - Santorelli - Clarkson
Booth - Holland - Komarov
Kozun - Winnik - Panik

I agree there. That's the only way to win. but it would be nice to offload some of the poop core that's keeping them semi-competitive so they can draft a true difference maker
- TheThrill

i wish also
but that doesnt seem to ever be the option for the leafs

Kessel, Bozak for Duchene + 2nd

Avs have ROR, MacKinnon and Landeskog
- twiztedmike

how does that help the leafs though?

lets offload some of the core for better core players till the Leafs are a contender
- the_eye

here's the difference, Mr. Eye.

Top teams core is made up of guys they drafted and developed.

Leafs core is made up of pieces that other teams were willing to part with

It's not rocket science

how does that help the leafs though?
- Lucas Neilson

Well see, if you didn't change the 1st to a 2nd like a jackass, it would be really good and helpful

guys, when josh gorges is a loser and plays for the sabres chooses buffalo over us, yet they suck okay man

Yeah drafting Schneider means nothing.
Just think, if Nonis didnt draft Schneider, you'd prob still have Gillis as your GM.
Just think.
- jimi james

Actually - when Burkes contract wasn't renewed just before the 2004 draft, and Nonis took over, Nonis has publicly stated that they kept with the list that the scouting staff and BB put together…your move.

how does that help the leafs though?
- Lucas Neilson

We finally get a 1st line centre who's (frank)in good

My oldest wanted monster high.


We usually have really intricate patterns, but just really busy this year, tried to do a bit easier ones this year. Still turned out good I think.
- burn

Us too. Last year we did Dr. Doofenshmirtz and Perry. This year my girl wanted 3 Minions on one pumpkin and Jake and Finn from Adventure Time on the other. The Minions turned out great...the other pumpkin gets carved tonight. She's an excellent artist, so she draws the images and I carve away. But she keeps upping the detail. Getting this carving set for next year to try to make it easier. I have a dremel now that helps tons.

Kessel, Bozak for Duchene + 1st

Avs have ROR, MacKinnon and Landeskog
- twiztedmike

done..throw in Carlyle to even out the deal
that 1st could be top 5

Ya but Kessel has a lot more value then RoR does right now. Maybe in a few years RoR will take that next step but right now he isn't even the best player on his team. He's not in that class yet. JvR might be a better comparison to RoR.

And trust me ..I'm a big fan of guys like RoR.
- The Law

Fair enough - Kessel IS one of the best scoring wingers in the league so I understand he holds a lot of value.