People always talk about the Detroit model.

There's some truth to the theory that holding onto your homegrown talent pays off. Leaf have none because everytime someone starts to get good they (frank)ing trade him. So no. Let's grow out draftees. Don't touch any of them.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

LA moved their homegrown Simmonds and Johnson and they got 2 cups out of it.

San Jose has moved on from the likes of Setoguchi and Coyle for other pieces. It's not all done by sitting on mediocre draft picks. kadri and gardiner I don't think fit as core pieces.

Eric Staal will not waive his NTC.

He had discussions with Peter Karmanos, Ron Francis and Don Waddell over the summer and discussed his future as well as the future of the club.

He has publicly said that unless there is new ownership that wants to change the direction of the team, he doesn't want to leave.

Peter Karmanos wants him on the team. Francis wants him on the team (we think), Eric Staal wants to stay on the team.

He's not being traded.
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he will. i think he goes toTO to try to win a cup. cant do tht in carolina

And a lot of people don't get paid $9 million dollars to live and play hockey in North Carolina.
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I like golfing and fishing.

People always talk about the Detroit model.

There's some truth to the theory that holding onto your homegrown talent pays off. Leaf have none because everytime someone starts to get good they (frank)ing trade him. So no. Let's grow out draftees. Don't touch any of them.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

We do have a lot of homegrown prospects in the minors right now that I do believe the leafs will try to use them in the the future. I like Kadri. There is no doubt he will be a top 6 forward in this league for a long time but you just don't pass up this opportunity to get a package like that. It fixes quite a few problems

he will. i think he goes to carolina to try to win a cup. cant do tht in carolina
- Jurco_28

What the...?

He would, until he realizes what Randy wants them to do...by the way, what does Randy want them to do?
- Woderwick

as long as vermette doesn't provide puck support or cover the points he will get plenty of ice time here

he will. i think he goes toTO to try to win a cup. cant do tht in carolina
- Jurco_28

uh.....

What the...?
- Woderwick

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People always talk about the Detroit model.

There's some truth to the theory that holding onto your homegrown talent pays off. Leaf have none because everytime someone starts to get good they (frank)ing trade him. So no. Let's grow out draftees. Don't touch any of them.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I could relate to that, but allot of the time, we just don't make great selections, while drafting. Biggs is a bust, but Percy is so far OK. Kadri is right around where he should be, for a 7th overall. We aren't sure about Nylander yet, because he hasn't had a chance to play at his highest level. He's a decent pick, for where we drafted him, 8th overall. I would have preferred Nick Ritchie, but it's roulette, when you get to that stage of the draft. I would like to get a shot at Dylan Strome this year, if things go badly, but the Leafs hierarchy will have to decide the direction that this team should be pursuing, after Christmas. All I know, is that we have no decent centre prospects, in the whole system, and we are lacking leadership overall. Maybe a trade of the proportions of a Kadri and Gardiner is in order.

I would be looking to dump rather than add. Core is broken....the patchwork has gone on for over a decade now. Enough is enough

as long as vermette doesn't provide puck support or cover the points he will get plenty of ice time here
- Sammich

That take Leafs straight to contender?

Kessel-Thorton-JVR
Lupul-Bozak-Clarkson
Santo-Vermette-Leivo
Komagod-Carrick-Winnik

Phaneuf-Yandle
Rielly-Robidas
Percy-? (Granberg)

hmmm..still not there
- iTOLDu

You forgot Polak.

I believe we'd be in a better spot and definitely get the best player in both deals. It's worth the risk. besides, if need be in a year or so Thornton can be moved in his final year to a contender as I'm sure he'd want a cup.
Yandle too. better chips than what we got I think.

I like golfing and fishing.
- Woderwick

Year round. While living in the Research Triangle.

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- Jurco_28

Now it really doesn't make sense.

Year round. While living in the Research Triangle.
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You forgot Polak.

I believe we'd be in a better spot and definitely get the best player in both deals. It's worth the risk. besides, if need be in a year or so Thornton can be moved in his final year to a contender as I'm sure he'd want a cup.
Yandle too. better chips than what we got I think.
- Aaron_85

Yandle is a keeper. The only reason he is expendable is because of OEL and all there great defensive prospects. If we got Yandle I would hold onto him as long as I could.

LA moved their homegrown Simmonds and Johnson and they got 2 cups out of it.

San Jose has moved on from the likes of Setoguchi and Coyle for other pieces. It's not all done by sitting on mediocre draft picks. kadri and gardiner I don't think fit as core pieces.
- Aaron_85

LA has a TON of great homegrown talent. Sure you can cut a guy or two loose once your are at that point. San Jose has never won poop so it kinda furthers my point. I think Kadri is a fine player and he's homegrown. Wether you like it or not he is a part of the identity of the team. Leafs didn't draft Gards so I don't care.

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- Jurco_28

Sure. Because Carolina with Connor MacDavid and Marc Staal is further from a cup than TO will be next year.

Yandle is a keeper. The only reason he is expendable is because of OEL and all there great defensive prospects. If we got Yandle I would hold onto him as long as I could.
- Santo_44

You sir have a serious man crush. You can't handle Yandle.

Sure. Because Carolina with Connor MacDavid and Marc Staal is further from a cup than TO will be next year.
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Frank me...

He would, until he realizes what Randy wants them to do...by the way, what does Randy want them to do?
- Woderwick

Compete


Then fix the toaster.

LA has a TON of great homegrown talent. Sure you can cut a guy or two loose once your are at that point. San Jose has never won poop so it kinda furthers my point. I think Kadri is a fine player and he's homegrown. Wether you like it or not he is a part of the identity of the team. Leafs didn't draft Gards so I don't care.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Maybe you change the deal slightly. Take out Kadri and offer Bozak. You would have to add something to that deal to make it work. Lupul might be someone that could be dangled, as long as another asset comes back the other way.....say a second rounder.

You sir have a serious man crush. You can't handle Yandle.
- Woderwick

He's a player we could really use.

Compete


Then fix the toaster.
- corunnakid

Poor Randy..what's that Norris Trophy worth now?

Maybe you slightly change the deal slightly. Take out Kadri and offer Bozak. You would have to add something to that deal to make it work. Lupul might be someone that could be dangled, as long as another asset comes back the other way.....say a second rounder.
- PrinceLH

Yeah, Arizona will likely only want offensive forwards