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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 30 @ 10:09 AM ET
Which is why Paul wrote about Shane Heyer -- and old friend of his -- having bad positioning on the play where Foligno got hurt the other day. Trust me, he isn't afraid to say what he thinks.

I know because I'm the one who talks to him on the phone several days per week and edits his blogs.

- bmeltzer


I was speaking in generalities. It's usually along the lines of, "Well, referees have an unforgiving job and the new refs are just doing as they're told, so it's not their fault." But yes, on occasion, he will fault a ref when something blatant happens.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Oct 30 @ 10:11 AM ET
[q+-uote=GOA88]Flyers just dont match up well against them. Also Tampa has hated the Flyers for years but the Flyers dont really care. Tampa is playing a rivalry game while the Flyers are heading in as "just another game".

Seems like we should be the ones hating them. 2004 certainly comes to mind and the beatings we have taken on an annual basis from them.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 30 @ 10:13 AM ET
I was speaking in generalities. It's usually along the lines of, "Well, referees have an unforgiving job and the new refs are just doing as they're told, so it's not their fault." But yes, on occasion, he will fault a ref when something blatant happens.
- jmatchett383



From working with Paul for a year, I have learned that the first thing to look at is the referee's positioning, then to the details of the play and lastly to whether or not it was simply a missed call.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:15 AM ET
From working with Paul for a year, I have learned that the first thing to look at is the referee's positioning, then to the details of the play and lastly to whether or not it was simply a missed call.
- bmeltzer


Leggo appeared to "referee by result" last night and not in a judgement call kind of way.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:16 AM ET
Coots vs Kuch...
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 30 @ 10:18 AM ET
I was speaking in generalities. It's usually along the lines of, "Well, referees have an unforgiving job and the new refs are just doing as they're told, so it's not their fault." But yes, on occasion, he will fault a ref when something blatant happens.
- jmatchett383


Paul and Colin Campbell intensely dislike one another, both personally and professionally.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:18 AM ET
Paul and Colin Campbell intensely dislike one another, both personally and professionally.
- bmeltzer


This only makes me like Paul that much more.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 30 @ 10:20 AM ET
Leggo appeared to "referee by result" last night and not in a judgement call kind of way.
- johndewar



He was in the corner, somehow didn't see Holtby fall on his own and (mistakenly) assumed he'd been tripped. Shouldn't have made any call at all.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 30 @ 10:20 AM ET
Leggo appeared to "referee by result" last night and not in a judgement call kind of way.
- johndewar



I am actually glad Detroit came back and won the game. If they lost a game on a call like that it would have been brutal.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 30 @ 10:29 AM ET
Seems like we should be the ones hating them. 2004 certainly comes to mind and the beatings we have taken on an annual basis from them.
- Just5


I think the same thing! That loss might sting as much as 2010. How can the lightning be simply brushed off?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:30 AM ET
He was in the corner, somehow didn't see Holtby fall on his own and (mistakenly) assumed he'd been tripped. Shouldn't have made any call at all.
- bmeltzer


Is it an option for him to talk to a linesman or something if he didn't see it? Or even better, since he didn't see it and play resulted in a goal.....defer to the war room?

Because it was clear that he guessed at what happened.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 30 @ 10:32 AM ET
Is it an option for him to talk to a linesman or something if he didn't see it?

Because it was clear that he guessed at what happened.

- johndewar


Yes... He could have made no call, conferred with the other officials and asked if they saw something. Unfortunately, there's an old adage in officiating; "Be careful about putting your arm up, because you can't put it back down." It is very rare that a penalty call gets reversed.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 30 @ 10:34 AM ET
So the GM decides whether or not he is in the AHL lineup? Cool, didn't know that.
- jmatchett383



You must have overlooked the first sentence in my post, which said the coach decides who plays on each team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 30 @ 10:36 AM ET
I used to like Stewart's blogs, they were fun stories. Now he just feels the need to defend NHL officials no matter what and to prove how masculine, chivalrous, and loyal he is. Kerry Fraser's blogs are much more unbiased.
- jmatchett383



Have to agree there. Also calls a lot of people out, who probably have no idea it's even been done.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 30 @ 10:37 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 10/30/14 @ TB, Phantoms Lose in OT, Quick Hits
- bmeltzer


Phantoms really missed Ghost and Manning last night on the PP. They had two separate 5 on 3s and a 4 on 3 in OT and couldn't score.

I thought Cousins played real well aside from the penalties.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:39 AM ET
Have to agree there. Also calls a lot of people out, who probably have no idea it's even been done.
- MJL

I stopped reading his blogs because of this.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 30 @ 10:40 AM ET
I am actually glad Detroit came back and won the game. If they lost a game on a call like that it would have been brutal.
- MBFlyerfan


Me too. It was an ugly game to watch. Each team was on the PP every time you turned it on. There was no flow to the game. I bet Ovie must have played well over 20 minutes

Edirt: 19:51. I guess Trotz isn't letting him stay out for the entire PP like the others have.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 30 @ 10:42 AM ET
I stopped reading his blogs because of this.
- BulliesPhan87


The Lindros thing did it for me. Turk Evers even came out and said he has no idea what Stewart was talking about and said Stewart could call him up to try to clear the air. Guess it's more important to be the good guy and paint the guy you didn't like as the villain instead of getting the story straight.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 30 @ 10:43 AM ET
You must have overlooked the first sentence in my post, which said the coach decides who plays on each team.
- MJL


Dude, this conversation ended like 5 pages ago when I was crowned the King of Internet.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 30 @ 10:45 AM ET
Emery's played better to date, no doubt. I'd argue that the team had also played marginally better defense in those games. Still, 9 games in, Emery has played better than Mason.
- jmatchett383


I agree, and I have no problem with them playing Emery as long as he's doing well and feeling fine physically.

But there's no reason to worry about Mason. His stats look bad because there were 8 goals against NJ and Dallas that he had no chance on.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 30 @ 10:45 AM ET
Dude, this conversation ended like 5 pages ago when I was crowned the King of Internet.
- jmatchett383



Well you weren't really crowned, I just let you think you were. And at best it's like the King of England. Pretty mcuh just a cermonial position. We know who really runs the place
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:46 AM ET
TODAY IN FLYERS HISTORY: OCTOBER 30


I also saw on the twitter machine that this is also the date that, back in 1969, some skinny diabetic kid from Manitoba scored his first NHL goal.

NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Oct 30 @ 10:46 AM ET
Well you weren't really crowned, I just let you think you were. And at best it's like the King of England. Pretty mcuh just a cermonial position. We know who really runs the place
- MJL


Al Gore.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 30 @ 10:47 AM ET
I stopped reading his blogs because of this.
- BulliesPhan87



Also he was a referee for a long time. I'm sure he made plenty of bad calls, and mistakes. Also for a self proclaimed hot head. I'm sure he also blew up on some people only later to realize he was at fault. I'd like to hear a more unbiased view from both sides of right and wrong.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 30 @ 10:47 AM ET
Al Gore.
- NickTheKid87



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