Thats why I suggested it. EDM lacks a legit 2nd line center, and its been rumored that we have been discussing trade talks with them. I dont think VL needs to prove anything in his return, everyone knows what they are getting with VL.

The question is, who would we get in return for VL if we trade w EDM ?
- MrBigglesworth

Well, your talking about trading an injury prone veteran center with a bad contract. It's probably not as much about the return as it is about if the trade is even plausible to happen at all.

Take what you can get.

He's due a lot of guaranteed money too
- PhillySportsGuy

Terrible contract...

As bad as he is, he's better than most other options. The Bears are in a much better spot with a competent defense.

He's not really a game manager, as he's too sporadic. Then again, if he has a competent defense that isn't getting 50+ points scored on them, he's certainly good enough to put the ball in Jeffrey, Marhshall, Bennet, or even Fortes hands.

Christ, with Jeffrey and Marshall it doesnt even have to be a good throw. Anywhere in the general area around their head/shoulders has a good chance of getting caught.
- mochoson

I think he's an average starter. Possibly, below average at this point. (Meaning I would rank him 16th or lower).

I think his problem is that he has too many devastating plays. Takes bad sacks at the worst times and throws bad interceptions on first down. He's just so unpredictable. The team would need to give him one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL like the Cowboys have done for Romo. I still don't think he's as good as Romo either. They just need to find ways to get the ball out of his hands as much.

i most certainly can.

first off, for as much as i love hockey. I fail to see how one's hockey allegiance has somehow been anointed as the barometer through which we measure one's percentage of somehow being a particular city.

in its plainest terms, being "from a city" is nothing more than a mere geographic coincidence or choice, depending on your respective circumstance.

by this logic, does a vegetarian fail to qualify as a real philly person because they dont scarf down the famous cheesesteaks?

do i up my philly quotient because im currently on North broad street eating a soft pretzel?
- stayinthefnnet

yes

I think he's an average starter. Possibly, below average at this point. (Meaning I would rank him 16th or lower).

I think his problem is that he has too many devastating plays. Takes bad sacks at the worst times and throws bad interceptions on first down. He's just so unpredictable. The team would need to give him one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL like the Cowboys have done for Romo. I still don't think he's as good as Romo either. They just need to find ways to get the ball out of his hands as much.
- PhillySportsGuy

He kills a game quicker than any QB I've ever seen.

He kills a game quicker than any QB I've ever seen.
- mayorofangrytown

Watching him must be excruciating. I feel like when he's playing well, you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop

2.5 hours to kill till my flight leaves Miami. What's happening boys?

Well, your talking about trading an injury prone veteran center with a bad contract. It's probably not as much about the return as it is about if the trade is even plausible to happen at all.

Take what you can get.
- mochoson

It's not really a bad contact after this year. More then half of his deal will be paid after this season. Only 10.5M left after this season.

Well, your talking about trading an injury prone veteran center with a bad contract. It's probably not as much about the return as it is about if the trade is even plausible to happen at all.

Take what you can get.
- mochoson

I hear you.

Hypothetically, if there was a trade with EDM, and it was VL going their way (he waives NTC), who could we get as return?

I'm assuming that top level prospect like Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin etc is out ? Howabout straight up for Petry who is in the rumor mill ?

Maybe I'm over-valuing VL, but I still think he is a solid veteran 2C and would be a good fit on paper on a team like EDM.

Watching him must be excruciating. I feel like when he's playing well, you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop
- PhillySportsGuy

Almost every time they're on National TV he just melts.

Yeah. The Bears roster has major flaws. They should look to move Marshall in the offseason for some picks. Jeffrey is passing him and Bennett has proven to be a very good player and red zone target.
- PhillySportsGuy

I'm a Bears fan and I was at the game last Sunday.. what a clown show. I think the offense is acceptable, but the D is that of a High school team. I've never seen it that bad in my life as a Bears fan.

I hear you.

Hypothetically, if there was a trade with EDM, and it was VL going their way (he waives NTC), who could we get as return?

I'm assuming top level prospect like Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin etc is out ? Howabout straight up for Petry who is in the rumor mill ?

Maybe I'm over-valuing VL, but I still think he is a solid veteran 2C and would be a good fit on paper on a team like EDM.
- MrBigglesworth

In what universe does anyone see VLC waiving his NTC to go to Edmonton?

Well, your talking about trading an injury prone veteran center with a bad contract. It's probably not as much about the return as it is about if the trade is even plausible to happen at all.

Take what you can get.
- mochoson

since when is it a bad contract

In what universe does anyone see VLC waiving his NTC to go to Edmonton?
- BiggE

alright, what other teams needs a 2C ?

Buffalo comes to mind.
VL+Akeson for Myers ?

I hear you.

Hypothetically, if there was a trade with EDM, and it was VL going their way (he waives NTC), who could we get as return?

I'm assuming that top level prospect like Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin etc is out ? Howabout straight up for Petry who is in the rumor mill ?

Maybe I'm over-valuing VL, but I still think he is a solid veteran 2C and would be a good fit on paper on a team like EDM.
- MrBigglesworth

I'd be happy to get Chase from a VL deal

alright, what other teams needs a 2C ?

Buffalo comes to mind.
VL+Akeson for Myers ?
- MrBigglesworth

I don't think Buffalo would be interested in that package unless you swapped out Akeson for a real prospect.

alright, what other teams needs a 2C ?

Buffalo comes to mind.
VL+Akeson for Myers ?
- MrBigglesworth

These trade proposals aren't realistic. These teams are looking for youth. Akeson is not a real prospect. They were asking for Kindl and Larkin from Detroit. Thats akin to Sanheim and Luke Schenn from Philly.

alright, what other teams needs a 2C ?

Buffalo comes to mind.
VL+Akeson for Myers ?
- MrBigglesworth

I think the Flyers are pretty much stuck with Vinny til the end of the season at least, and most likely until after 15-16 when his deal drops to a real salary of only 3 mil per season.

These trade proposals aren't realistic. These teams are looking for youth. Akeson is not a real prospect. They were asking for Kindl and Larkin from Detroit. Thats akin to Sanheim and Luke Schenn from Philly.
- PhillySportsGuy

Exactly.

If I'm the Buffalo GM and you are calling me about Myers, I'm either asking for Couturier straight up or something like Laughton and Hagg and a 2nd. It may not be realistic, but that's what they are going to want. Don't forget, Buffalo is under no pressure whatsoever to move Myers in the first place.

i most certainly can.

first off, for as much as i love hockey. I fail to see how one's hockey allegiance has somehow been anointed as the barometer through which we measure one's percentage of somehow being a particular city.

in its plainest terms, being "from a city" is nothing more than a mere geographic coincidence or choice, depending on your respective circumstance.

by this logic, does a vegetarian fail to qualify as a real philly person because they dont scarf down the famous cheesesteaks?

do i up my philly quotient because im currently on North broad street eating a soft pretzel?
- stayinthefnnet

You and your big words and your small ... difficult words

Exactly.

If I'm the Buffalo GM and you are calling me about Myers, I'm either asking for Couturier straight up or something like Laughton and Hagg and a 2nd. It may not be realistic, but that's what they are going to want. Don't forget, Buffalo is under no pressure whatsoever to move Myers in the first place.
- BiggE

I wonder why they would want to trade him. Seems odd to me. Unless he asked for a trade. The locker room in buffalo can't be a pretty place right now.

yeah i understand.

i do respect that mentality. hard to not like a guy like lapierre.
- stayinthefnnet

I hate to call you on it, but it's Laperriere. Tons of reasons to hate Max Lapierre.

Leading both of my fantasy teams to gold
- PhillySportsGuy

Le'Veon Bell is doing that for me

Exactly.

If I'm the Buffalo GM and you are calling me about Myers, I'm either asking for Couturier straight up or something like Laughton and Hagg and a 2nd. It may not be realistic, but that's what they are going to want. Don't forget, Buffalo is under no pressure whatsoever to move Myers in the first place.
- BiggE

This. They have no incentive to move him unless they get a ridiculous return.

Exactly.

If I'm the Buffalo GM and you are calling me about Myers, I'm either asking for Couturier straight up or something like Laughton and Hagg and a 2nd. It may not be realistic, but that's what they are going to want. Don't forget, Buffalo is under no pressure whatsoever to move Myers in the first place.
- BiggE

Yep. Myers is signed for 5 more years, there's zero pressure to trade him for Tim Murray.

That said, if his game doesn't improve, he won't get as much as he's asking. In chatting with some friends on twitter who are Sabres fans, he's really not playing well. Far too many turnovers, he's finding himself out of position and getting to be a bit of a mess is how one put it.

Still, how many 6'8" guys with his mobility are there? Somebody will roll the dice.