You are really being dense about this. The reason that The Kings were able to do a trade like that is bc they had a top prospect system and could afford to move top pieces since they had a bounty of them.

We move any pieces of worth like Simens or Bigras, what do we have..Elliott as one of our top D prospects, thats just a disaster of a pipeline. You can't over spend in the middle of a rebuild, and yes we are still rebuilding, we got ahead of schedule season last year, but we are not there yet, so to over spend in a trade to feel like we need to yield the same results like last year, we are just setting ourselves back even further.

If the right trade came along yes as an organization you do it, but we are not in a win now mode, our window isn't closing, the window to win with this team hasn't even really opened yet.
- DDM-Coga

I can see your point if your in the belief of being in the middle of a rebuild but I'm not in that belief. Oh well as a rebuilding team we will be competitive some nights win some games but ultimately fall short. I honestly never thought of this team being in the middle of a rebuild. When does if end? When is this team ready? We are going to have to start paying all these high draft picks and from the looks of it we are starting to lose our home grown talent. Stastny's gone.... ROR wants more money than the Avs are willing to pay him..... Tyson Barrie will get paid after next year... Oh yeah and Mack will get his pay day as well. We are going to lose some of these guys anyways because prices are being driven Sky high by other teams. When is the window where the avs sacrifice a little to make a cup capable squad.

Not for yandle he's not a corner stone piece, he's a pending ufa in 2016, I wouldn't move our first rounder for a guy like him who isn't signed long term or a rfa giving us the chance to sign.

Yandle is 28, will be a UFA at 30, so you have to sign him long term at the point to justify the trade, where he could be hitting his decline shortly afterwards, not worth the risk of moving our 1st for him and tying up expensive cap space for a guy who might have a few good years left
- DDM-Coga

If he were a forward, I'd agree with you. But dmen tend to have a longer shelf life, for the most part. Having said that, I agree with you not wanting to do that trade, especially with this coming draft class. Be patient

We are going to have to overpay someone in the offseason next year to upgrade our D might as well be a guy like yandle. Did you see what Niskanen got? Will it be Boychuck? It doesn't matter because if your somewhat good at playing D in the NHL you are getting paid. What are we going to do get a top 10 pick and develop him for a couple years? At some point this organization has to decide when to pull the trigger and decide that they are going to be a constant playoff contender. Look at what the kings traded to become what they are. Avs fans would have lost their poop if we traded Simmons and Brayden schenn. Look what the kings accomplished by pulling that trigger.
- SoundsOfTheIce

Or you could wait for your opportunities to get a younger defenseman who needs a change of scenery (Kulikov) or isn't getting his chance due to a deep roster (Gormley) or their team needs cap space (Leddy if he wasn't in the same division). Then you let that player grow into his role. You wait to bring in a player like Yandle when you feel like you're a piece or 2 away from winning the cup.

I can see your point if your in the belief of being in the middle of a rebuild but I'm not in that belief. Oh well as a rebuilding team we will be competitive some nights win some games but ultimately fall short. I honestly never thought of this team being in the middle of a rebuild. When does if end? When is this team ready? We are going to have to start paying all these high draft picks and from the looks of it we are starting to lose our home grown talent. Stastny's gone.... ROR wants more money than the Avs are willing to pay him..... Tyson Barrie will get paid after next year... Oh yeah and Mack will get his pay day as well. We are going to lose some of these guys anyways because prices are being drive. Sky high by other teams. When is the window where the avs sacrifice a little to make a cup capable squad.
- SoundsOfTheIce

They are locking up the core, and have been doing a good job of that. EJ is a ufa in 2016 too, he needs a new contract, so to trade for yandle and try and lock him up in the same year as EJ, I see that as a disaster waiting to happen.

Plus we couldn't even trade for Yandle if we wanted to, we would be over the cap, we would have to ship out about 4.5m in cap space in any move. Math doesn't work, we would have to move more valuable guys like ROR, or McGinn and someone else to fit him it.

Thats just opening up one hole and plugging another

They are locking up the core, and have been doing a good job of that. EJ is a ufa in 2016 too, he needs a new contract, so to trade for yandle and try and lock him up in the same year as EJ, I see that as a disaster waiting to happen.

Plus we couldn't even trade for Yandle if we wanted to, we would be over the cap, we would have to ship out about 4.5m in cap space in any move. Math doesn't work, we would have to move more valuable guys like ROR, or McGinn and someone else to fit him it.

Thats just opening up one hole and plugging another
- DDM-Coga

To be honest I'm in the belief that ROR has his foot out the door. He will be a 7 mil dollar player that the avs will not pay. I say 7 mil because the market is crazy and more than one team will give him that. So trade him as long as the trade is right for the team

To be honest I'm in the belief that ROR has his foot out the door. He will be a 7 mil dollar player that the avs will not pay. I say 7 mil because the market is crazy and more than one team will give him that. So trade him as long as the trade is right for the team
- SoundsOfTheIce

yes he is a 7m dollar man on the open market and thats just the price of business now based on the cap. So if they don't extend him this summer, they will trade him. They won't do the stastny situation again.

But right now you don't move him, you wait till this offseason when you can finally extend him, and if he doesn't want talk or isn't being reasonable with his price, have to manage your assets in that situation and get the best price possible for him

yes he is a 7m dollar man and thats just the price of business now based on the cap.
So if they don't extend him this summer, they will trade him. They won't do the stastny situation again.

But right now you don't move him, you wait till this offseason when you can finally extend him, and if he doesn't want talk or isn't being reasonable with his price, have to manage your assets in that situation and get the best price possible for him
- DDM-Coga

You know the answer already he's held out twice he holds all the cards trade him while he has the most value. That would be this year. No one is going to give you top dollar for a pending UFA with a reputation for contract holdouts.

You know the answer already he's held out twice he holds all the cards trade him while he has the most value. That would be this year. No one is going to give you top dollar for a pending UFA with a reputation for contract holdouts.
- SoundsOfTheIce

You don't know that, and he has only held out once. The take the Duchene bridge deal or else method wasn't good business. He wanted to be paided for what he was worth and they wouldn't budge, which lead to the offer sheet crap.

This summer, that wasn't a hold out, the team issued their rights of arbitration and they negotiated to the last minute, and they got the deal done and he got what he felt he was worth.

His agent is the same as Subbans, they did the exact same time line of hold out and negotiate until the hearing. Thats just the way his agent does business.

You don't know that, and he has only held out once. The take the Duchene bridge deal or else method wasn't good business. He wanted to be paided for what he was worth and they wouldn't budge, which lead to the offer sheet crap.

This summer, that wasn't a hold out, the team issued their rights of arbitration and they negotiated to the last minute, and they got the deal done and he got what he felt he was worth.

His agent is the same as Subbans, they did the exact same time line of hold out and negotiate until the hearing. Thats just the way his agent does business.
- DDM-Coga

And he will head to FA to get the most money he can. ROR has been quoted saying you have to get the most you can while you can. It's a simple formula head to free agency and get paid.

And he will head to FA to get the most money he can. ROR has been quoted saying you have to get the most you can while you can. It's a simple formula head to free agency and get paid.
- SoundsOfTheIce

or you pay him what he is worth, and the Avs have been quoted of saying they want to sign him long term.

So either its they pay him what he is worth to extend him long term or they trade him before that, there is no walking to UFA in this scenario, not this time around.

or you pay him what he is worth, and the Avs have been quoted of saying they want to sign him long term.

So either its they pay him what he is worth to extend him long term or they trade him before that, there is no walking to UFA in this scenario, not this time around.
- DDM-Coga

He's gone by the trade deadline if the avs are firmly out of a playoff spot.

You are really being dense about this. The reason that The Kings were able to do a trade like that is bc they had a top prospect system and could afford to move top pieces since they had a bounty of them.

We move any pieces of worth like Simens or Bigras, what do we have..Elliott as one of our top D prospects, thats just a disaster of a pipeline. You can't over spend in the middle of a rebuild, and yes we are still rebuilding, we got ahead of schedule season last year, but we are not there yet, so to over spend in a trade to feel like we need to yield the same results like last year, we are just setting ourselves back even further.

If the right trade came along yes as an organization you do it, but we are not in a win now mode, our window isn't closing, the window to win with this team hasn't even really opened yet.
- DDM-Coga

all well said.

stay calm and hockey.

also, to the kings point, they only got richards for simmonds and schenn. the kings win those cups with or without mike richards.

I say trading our first round pick within the next 2 weeks is something to consider doing if the return is a top quality defenseman. It can't include a guy like O'Reilly though, that would open up our top 6 too much.

There would be multiple teams out there seeing this as a big potential lottery pick giving it much higher than normal 1st rounder value and we believe we are a playoff team especially with the addition of a #1 dman.

It also makes a huge statement to the team and the fans saying we want to win now, not give up and hope for a solid draft.

Medium risk, high reward.

Can't settle for a pending UFA or even a decent or project "dman". Not sure what would have to go with the pick, but I know no one is trading 1st rounders right now especially not teams sitting near the bottom.

Why not put the pressure on our stars to start winning today?

Our prospect pool looks more like a childrens turtle pool. Don't be giving away those draft picks!

I say trading our first round pick within the next 2 weeks is something to consider doing if the return is a top quality defenseman. It can't include a guy like O'Reilly though, that would open up our top 6 too much.

There would be multiple teams out there seeing this as a big potential lottery pick giving it much higher than normal 1st rounder value and we believe we are a playoff team especially with the addition of a #1 dman.

It also makes a huge statement to the team and the fans saying we want to win now, not give up and hope for a solid draft.

Medium risk, high reward.

Can't settle for a pending UFA or even a decent or project "dman". Not sure what would have to go with the pick, but I know no one is trading 1st rounders right now especially not teams sitting near the bottom.

Why not put the pressure on our stars to start winning today?
- AvsFanYeaa

I'd almost rather they go through this struggle than toss out ROR's and 1st round draft picks thinking that this team is that close to a cup run.

If anyone thinks we are ONE D man short, they haven't been paying attention. I'd have EJ/Barrie and just one of Hedja/Stuart going forward. That still leaves 3 of 6 defensive roster spots that requires upgrade before we roll with the big boys. Guen, Hold, Wilson, Red...they can play their heart out but that's not bringing home any hardware.

Patience...if you want to rant you have a window after every Avs loss to go nuts on Twitter for 20 minutes. That's completely acceptable. After that, inhale...exhale...it's okay.

well at least he will be a healthy scratch, no way they call up Everberg just to sit him in the press box.

Landy Duchene ROR
McGinn MacK Iggy
Tangs Mitchell Everberg
McLeod Briere Talbot

One step closed to fixing that bottom 6
- DDM-Coga

Last morning point...Tanguay. We didn't get to see much of him last season and when he played he looked solid. This year I thought it was a slow start but i'd have to say he's looked really good lately. He's not as old as I often think and would have no issue keeping him around.

Vets: Iggy, Tanguay, McCleod (mainly cause I have a feeling he'll spend his whole career in Colorado at this point)

Removable Vets: Talbot, Briere

Last morning point...Tanguay. We didn't get to see much of him last season and when he played he looked solid. This year I thought it was a slow start but i'd have to say he's looked really good lately. He's not as old as I often think and would have no issue keeping him around.

Vets: Iggy, Tanguay, McCleod (mainly cause I have a feeling he'll spend his whole career in Colorado at this point)

Removable Vets: Talbot, Briere
- Fols19

I agree, Tangs has been quietly one of our best forwards the last 5 or so games. Having him on the third line with Mitchell is the perfect place for him. McCleod sadly we are stuck with. Bottom 6 we need some upgrades, winchester and everberg are probably not the answers long term as well, maybe 1 of them really emerges and takes a hold of his spot, but there are 3 spots that should be penciled for next season

Tangs Mitchell X
McLeod X X


And I agree that this roster isn't one Dman away from being fixed, it really is 2 Top 4 dmen short. We are stuck with Stuart so we really have 3 spots to tinker with this season and in the offseason. Maybe Redmond emerges and solidifies that bottom pairing right side (he does look promising) but lets not settle for additions like Redmond and Holden just bc they are on the roster.

X EJ
X Barrie
Stuart X

I'd almost rather they go through this struggle than toss out ROR's and 1st round draft picks thinking that this team is that close to a cup run.

If anyone thinks we are ONE D man short, they haven't been paying attention. I'd have EJ/Barrie and just one of Hedja/Stuart going forward. That still leaves 3 of 6 defensive roster spots that requires upgrade before we roll with the big boys. Guen, Hold, Wilson, Red...they can play their heart out but that's not bringing home any hardware.

Patience...if you want to rant you have a window after every Avs loss to go nuts on Twitter for 20 minutes. That's completely acceptable. After that, inhale...exhale...it's okay.
- Fols19

We are more than 1 dman short of a cup run, but we are 1 #1 dman away from a playoff spot. No one is going to give us a top defender and it is quite obvious that one won't be had in free agency. (not suggesting we can't make the playoffs as is, but I want a long term defensive solution and it won't come free).

I am just suggesting that right now our first round pick could be seen as a lottery pick and if we traded it and finished in the playoffs it would be worth the loss of the pick to add a #1 dman.

We are more than 1 dman short of a cup run, but we are 1 #1 dman away from a playoff spot. No one is going to give us a top defender and it is quite obvious that one won't be had in free agency. (not suggesting we can't make the playoffs as is, but I want a long term defensive solution and it won't come free).

I am just suggesting that right now our first round pick could be seen as a lottery pick and if we traded it and finished in the playoffs it would be worth the loss of the pick to add a #1 dman.
- AvsFanYeaa

With how stacked this draft class is, I'm not comfortable moving that number for for anything short of a true top pairing, in the top 15-20 of dmen in the league type player or you are getting a guy like Josi who is young and you are building that blue line around (never going to happen with Josi but that would be my ideal pick up)

No way do you move it just for a borderline top pairing guy, I do agree with you if the right move is there you use it, but don't trade it just to slightly improve the top pairing with a guy like Yandle, Myers, etc, i don't like the risk involved in those sort of trades

And no team in their right mind would ship out a dman of that quality so if the deal doesn't present itself, this team should hold onto that pick for dear life

Well should get a little more interesting now...Briere a healthy scratch tonight.

You know, if this is him sending a message, i'm a little disappointed. Briere was always going to be the target of any 'message' because he'll walk at the end of the season anyways.

Well should get a little more interesting now...Briere a healthy scratch tonight.

You know, if this is him sending a message, i'm a little disappointed. Briere was always going to be the target of any 'message' because he'll walk at the end of the season anyways.
- Fols19

lets turn this into a positive, at least we don't have to worry about them extending him now....(frank) what are they doing sometimes.

We gave up 2 assets for Briere and he isn't really the problem with that bottom 6. You extend a worse player in McLeod, give ice time to a plug like Cliche and you expect Talbot to put up 25 points still.

They need to take a good look in the mirror with their scouting, professional and amateur, if t hey don't have guys who are willing to stand up to Roy and Sakic and let them know they are wrong, then we will spiral down hill even further until they start of figure it out

Guenin is in!! DDM can celebrate

Well should get a little more interesting now...Briere a healthy scratch tonight.

You know, if this is him sending a message, i'm a little disappointed. Briere was always going to be the target of any 'message' because he'll walk at the end of the season anyways.
- Fols19

No one should be surprised by this.

Brière has nothing left in the tank, nothing.

After watching a few games, it has become obvious losing Stastny hurts the Avs WAY more than expected.