When we get Toews for petry
- Oilfan19

Or when you get fired from coop for beaking french chicks
- Oilfan19

You're not watching tonight right?

agree to disagree. and I guess that's that.
- gravis1982

nothing much you can do about that.

LD will be better off developing throughout the season. Lander is not an efficient option. All players develop through their careers. And not every player has the same immediate effect or route to the majors.

I remember calling for Price's head when he wasn't sent back to the minors during his first full season. Meanwhile, Price developed and look at him now. Arguably one of the best goalies in the NHL.

The NHL coach and the NHL GM have made the decision to keep him up. LD is progressing nicely with each game and the Oilers are winning. The only thing I would like to see would be LD being able to go play for Germany at the WJC.



edit: Henderson has a new blog up and explains ever so perfectly why LD is staying.

You're not watching tonight right?
- ystoil

Got that right

nothing much you can do about that.

LD will be better off developing throughout the season. Lander is not an efficient option. All players develop through their careers. And not every player has the same immediate effect or route to the majors.

I remember calling for Price's head when he wasn't sent back to the minors during his first full season. Meanwhile, Price developed and look at him now. Arguably one of the best goalies in the NHL.

The NHL coach and the NHL GM have made the decision to keep him up. LD is progressing nicely with each game and the Oilers are winning. The only thing I would like to see would be LD being able to go play for Germany at the WJC.
- ChetManly

Honestly, I'd prefer he not go down to play at the WJC unless he's struggling at the NHL level in December. I hope he continues his upward trend.

Got that right
- Oilfan19

Atta boy!

Fact. A person grows and matures in the face of competition that is above them, not so much below them. Overcoming adversity is a driving force behind ones personal growth. If one is placed in an environment where they dominate, there is no stimulus to improve, but simply to plateau. That coupled with the fact he is the best option the Oilers have right now to play said position. In a perfect world they would have a suitable replacement for him. As they don't, sending him to junior hurts the club right now, and hinders his stimuli to improve.
- ruttager17

and that should be the end of that. well said

Atta boy!
- ystoil

Not until we lose.

He should be here instead of LD based on the players that Mac T currently has on our roster. Who should really be here though over lander is brodziak or a player of that type. But in the absence of that move, unfortunately its lander. LD needs to go back to junior. The oilers made a mistake, again. The fact that he made the team simply because Mac T couldn't populate his roster with 4 NHL centers is an embarrassment. He may get points, but will be a boat anchor to the oilers in ever other facet of the game. Having him here doesn't make them a better team and doesn't help them make the playoffs. Trading a 2nd round pick for a real center helps them make the playoffs, makes them better in the future by developing Leon properly, and ups landers value for a trade next year, it a win win win. Id rather have 15 year of a better properly developed LD and put up with lander, than screw up his development this year by bring him in too early. The only reason he is here is because everyone else sucks, including lander. He is not an NHL center and neither is lander. Therefore id rather put lander in a position to fail than LD, who is much more important to the oilers. Wait until he is ready.
- gravis1982

Who is this guy? He might as well copy and paste 'war and Peace' if he's gonna post a novel, either way I ain't reading it.

Need Arcobello to start producing a little more. I feel like him and Draisaitl could click and it could provide us with decent centre depth, but we're sort of banking on them being two 40ish point guys in the middle 6 there if we want to succeed this season.

Not sure why I even feel the need to talk about this nickname silliness but its "Nugget" not "Nuge" and the nicknames are traditional sports nicknames. never gonna change. The wagon line anme sucks though I would say.

Expressing an opinion or viewpoint that is different than others, with conviction, is not arrogant. It's a debate. LD is the best we have for that last spot, I agree with you. Lander is the second best we have for that spot, fact. Lander is not good, agree with you. Just because LD is better doesn't mean he should be here though if it is a detriment to his future development, which I believe it is. It was a sure thing to bring in a 3rd line center for that role, it was risky to hope that LD grows into it this year. And in my opinion, there was no need to take that risk this year.

My argument is that the detriment to the team this year of playing Lander over LD is outweighed by the benefit going forward of letting LD mature properly. Additionally, I would much prefer another center be brought in which would mean we would not be impacted this year at all, but that has not happened.

And here is the paragraph structure you require.
- gravis1982

At the risk of sounding short sighted, we need to win right now, so the best players gotta play.
Also, would Taylor Hall be a better player now if he were a 3rd year player instead of a 5th year player?
Or Nuge if he were a sophomore?
Or if Yak were a rookie?

That's what they would be had the done the extra year in Jr. and a full AHL season before the NHL.
I think with goalies , Defenseman and defensive forwards that's a good idea but for skill forwards the best experience is against NHL competition.

Who is this guy? He might as well copy and paste 'war and Peace' if he's gonna post a novel, either way I ain't reading it.
- Jeropotato

You know the original title was "War, What is it Good For"?

You know the original title was "War, What is it Good For"?
- The-O-G

(frank) off

(frank) off
- Jeropotato

Grow up!

Grow up!
- The-O-G

You think all of a sudden I'm gonna grow up and be the pillar of respect and maturity on hockey buzz because some Pisant like yourself told me to?

Fact. A person grows and matures in the face of competition that is above them, not so much below them. Overcoming adversity is a driving force behind ones personal growth. If one is placed in an environment where they dominate, there is no stimulus to improve, but simply to plateau. That coupled with the fact he is the best option the Oilers have right now to play said position. In a perfect world they would have a suitable replacement for him. As they don't, sending him to junior hurts the club right now, and hinders his stimuli to improve.
- ruttager17

I get the argument. I do. But in my opinion that's the purpose of the AHL which is much more difficult than junior and can provide that type of stimulating environment as well.

Additionally the negative consequences of a mistake are not as great in the AHL as they are in the NHL, thus less likely to stifle creativity or learning. The difference between top line AHL and weak competition NHL (which he will be getting), is also not that great. And in the AHL he plays 20 minutes a night in that role consistently all season (or half, see Eberle) and would be 'the guy'. And for that to happen, its unfortunately junior for a year first.

I have been a 100% advocate of every high pick staying here for the season since Ganger, and watched nearly every game they played (and almost every game since 1995 for that matter). I even wanted yak to stay last year. But every year they look out of place despite the points they get, if not initially, eventually. Except for Hall, perhaps. I get that I'm the outcast opinion here, but whatever.

At the risk of sounding short sighted, we need to win right now, so the best players gotta play.
Also, would Taylor Hall be a better player now if he were a 3rd year player instead of a 5th year player?
Or Nuge if he were a sophomore?
Or if Yak were a rookie?

That's what they would be had the done the extra year in Jr. and a full AHL season before the NHL.
I think with goalies , Defenseman and defensive forwards that's a good idea but for skill forwards the best experience is against NHL competition.
- Jeropotato

yes, fair point. But if that happened we would have been forced to find NHL players to fill that void and there would be more experience surrounding them when they were brought up. Bringing them in early was beneficial as it allowed us to secure those picks, and if we had been bringing them along slowly from the beginning we may have been a better team and actually not have drafted them. So it was good in that way. I just think its time to change strategy now.

yes, fair point. But if that happened we would have been forced to find NHL players to fill that void and there would be more experience surrounding them when they were brought up. Bringing them in early was beneficial as it allowed us to secure those picks, and if we had been bringing them along slowly from the beginning we may have been a better team and actually not have drafted them. So it was good in that way. I just think its time to change strategy now.
- gravis1982

For the record if AHL was an option this year that's where I would stick LD. NHL is better for him at this point that the Jr.

Good point on the fill in players.....Tambo was a (frank) hole but he had to sell tickets.

Or when you get fired from coop for beaking french chicks
- Oilfan19

What??? That stupid lil (frank)er.

For the record if AHL was an option this year that's where I would stick LD. NHL is better for him at this point that the Jr.

Good point on the fill in players.....Tambo was a (frank) hole but he had to sell tickets.
- Jeropotato

I wouldn't even put him in the AHL right now.

nickenames in hockey are not limited to the oilers Ryan so quit your whinning. Who cares what they call themselves or others as long as they are cool with it and winning hockey games.no doubt called the gardener