agreed.....but only because i want hoffman to take his lineup spot, not because i think he deserves it.
- sensarmy_11

Wier,greening, and condra need to be gone .Neil is fine as the 13th forward
- top shelf 15

People's bashing of Condra always perplexes me.

He's one of the best defensive players we have, but because he doesn't put points on the board he's considered expendable.

He's just one name in a long list of players who are tremendously unappreciated in the organization.

Before him it was Nick Foligno. Before Foligno it was Chris Kelly. Before Kelly it was Vermette. Before Vermette it was Shaun Van Allen.


I guess you could say we're due for a changing of the guard- because each time every single one of those guys left (save maybe Van Allen) I was extremely disappointed....


Condra deserves a spot over Greening and Neil, in my opinion.

Yep, definitely a big concern.

I would still like to see Hoffman tried out on his wing, but if that doesn't work there's nothing to be done with him until he steps it up.

poop, I'd almost be inclined to see a lineup for one game where we sit Zibby and give Lazar a shot in that spot.
- TommyDeVito

As mentioned earlier, I think a wake-up call is in order.

At the same time, the coaches have to be impressed with the jump in Lazar's step. He seems to make his linemates better every night, regardless of who they are. Anyone who can make Greening look decent is impressive to me.

I'd say give the kid a shot at L2 playing with some legitimate players and see what happens.

People's bashing of Condra always perplexes me.

He's one of the best defensive players we have, but because he doesn't put points on the board he's considered expendable.

He's just one name in a long list of players who are tremendously unappreciated in the organization.

Before him it was Nick Foligno. Before Foligno it was Chris Kelly. Before Kelly it was Vermette. Before Vermette it was Shaun Van Allen.


I guess you could say we're due for a changing of the guard- because each time every single one of those guys left (save maybe Van Allen) I was extremely disappointed....


Condra deserves a spot over Greening and Neil, in my opinion.
- Jordo

Look i get all the pk and positioning things he does well.But do you not think guys like Lazar,Hoffman,Stone,Chaisson .Also guys like Pageau,puemple ,Robinsion in the ahl deserve or will deserve more ice time .He is what he is ,and its time to move on

Look i get all the pk and positioning things he does well.But do you not think guys like Lazar,Hoffman,Stone,Chaisson .Also guys like Pageau,puemple ,Robinsion in the ahl deserve or will deserve more ice time .He is what he is ,and its time to move on

- top shelf 15

The guys you just mentioned are scoring guys that do not belong on a 4th line anywhere, unless you're talking international competition or the deepest teams in the league.

Ottawa is not those. 4th line should be reserved for defensive specialists- of which Hoffman, Chiasson, Stone are definitely not. Lazar- yeah, I'd put him in that category, but he's wasted on a 4th line with his scoring potential.

I understand the argument that he can't produce like those guys can- but the counter argument is that none of those guys have the defensive game that Condra has- which is what's important on a 4th line or on the PK.

The guys you just mentioned are scoring guys that do not belong on a 4th line anywhere, unless you're talking international competition or the deepest teams in the league.

Ottawa is not those. 4th line should be reserved for defensive specialists- of which Hoffman, Chiasson, Stone are definitely not. Lazar- yeah, I'd put him in that category, but he's wasted on a 4th line with his scoring potential.

I understand the argument that he can't produce like those guys can- but the counter argument is that none of those guys have the defensive game that Condra has- which is what's important on a 4th line or on the PK.
- Jordo

Chaisson,stone .lazar all have pked this year.Thats my point to be just a good pker isnt enough to hold back our kids anymore

Chaisson,stone .lazar all have pked this year.Thats my point to be just a good pker isnt enough to hold back our kids anymore
- top shelf 15

Lazar and Condra on the PK together looks really good together - hard to tell them apart sometimes they have such similar styles

Also Stone looked good last night, his assist on the PP goal was amazing, such a sweet pass

Lazar and Condra on the PK together looks really good together - hard to tell them apart sometimes they have such similar styles

Also Stone looked good last night, his assist on the PP goal was amazing, such a sweet pass
- tuna99

Yep i dont hate Condra at all ,but its not like our forwards are bad in the defensive zone and we need a specialist anymore .His spot based on what he can do defensively is wasted here ,we have some very good two way forwards that can pk just as good or better than him

Yep i dont hate Condra at all ,but its not like our forwards are bad in the defensive zone and we need a specialist anymore .His spot based on what he can do defensively is wasted here ,we have some very good two way forwards that can pk just as good or better than him
- top shelf 15

ha! What? Are you serious?

People's bashing of Condra always perplexes me.

He's one of the best defensive players we have, but because he doesn't put points on the board he's considered expendable.

He's just one name in a long list of players who are tremendously unappreciated in the organization.

Before him it was Nick Foligno. Before Foligno it was Chris Kelly. Before Kelly it was Vermette. Before Vermette it was Shaun Van Allen.


I guess you could say we're due for a changing of the guard- because each time every single one of those guys left (save maybe Van Allen) I was extremely disappointed....


Condra deserves a spot over Greening and Neil, in my opinion.
- Jordo

This is the problem though. Greening gets payed so much money its hard to justify sitting him. Neil has an A as well, so that makes him sitting less likely too.

Greening is also practically untradeable at this point

ha! What? Are you serious?
- TheCalSen

Yeah sens are still a bit of a mess in their own zone. That includes the forwards

Jared had a very solid game yesterday; although, I wish he can play a more physical game and throw his body around.

Zibanejad needs a scratch like some of you have suggested; I'd give Lazar a go on that 2C, just as a tryout.

Proposed lineups against the Blackhawks
Mac-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Lazar-Chiasson
Hoffman-Legwand-Stone
Condra-Smith-Neil

This is the problem though. Greening gets payed so much money its hard to justify sitting him. Neil has an A as well, so that makes him sitting less likely too.

Greening is also practically untradeable at this point
- david22

Greening is untradeable and can't be waived due to financial reasons. They're basically stuck with him...which sucks a lot.

People's bashing of Condra always perplexes me.

He's one of the best defensive players we have, but because he doesn't put points on the board he's considered expendable.

He's just one name in a long list of players who are tremendously unappreciated in the organization.

Before him it was Nick Foligno. Before Foligno it was Chris Kelly. Before Kelly it was Vermette. Before Vermette it was Shaun Van Allen.


I guess you could say we're due for a changing of the guard- because each time every single one of those guys left (save maybe Van Allen) I was extremely disappointed....


Condra deserves a spot over Greening and Neil, in my opinion.
- Jordo

Amen.
Teams play 50% of a hockey game without puck. The point producers can't do anything wihout the Condras - unless they're rare specimens named Bergeron, Kopitar, Toews etc. But the myopic market demands goals. That's why Greening gets Condra $ x2, in the vain hope that he might repeat his single 30+ point season. And that's (frank)ing insane.

Jared Crozier: Senators Bust Open Game in 3rd, beat Blue Jackets 5-2; Side notes...
- JaredCrozier

Have not read the thread yet but..

I'm very suprised you think the Gryba hit o Anisimov was suspendable and the hit from behind on Boro was not.

ha! What? Are you serious?
- TheCalSen

So turris ,milo,mac,lazar,legwand etc. Are what then ??So we should play a guy that cant put a puck into an empty soccer net, because he is so much better defensively.He has had his chance time for someone new ,he is waste of a roster spot as is greening,neil and weircoch

Have not read the thread yet but..

I'm very suprised you think the Gryba hit was suspendable and the hit from behind on Boro was not.
- Erik6Karlsson5

Gryba hit was close, could go either way.

Boro hit, he turned, can't blame the guy who hit him too much.

Greening gets payed so much money its hard to justify sitting him.
- david22

Well, we've sat him most of the games so far. He's getting payed the same either way. He's bad, and he'll continue to be bad, no matter what we do with him. He's almost certainly going to be bought out. Unless we trade him to Buffalo next year for a late pick to help them meet the cap.

So turris ,milo,mac,lazar,legwand etc. Are what then ??So we should play a guy that cant put a puck into an empty soccer net, because he is so much better defensively.He has had his chance time for someone new ,he is waste of a roster spot as is greening,neil and weircoch
- top shelf 15

Wiercioch was our second best defensive last year, offensively - so by your logic, he should definitely be playing

So turris ,milo,mac,lazar,legwand etc. Are what then ??So we should play a guy that cant put a puck into an empty soccer net, because he is so much better defensively.He has had his chance time for someone new ,he is waste of a roster spot as is greening,neil and weircoch
- top shelf 15

With the way our defense is, the more defensively gifted players we can ice the better; moreover, I'd argue that Condra is as good or even better than some of the guys you listed.

Gryba hit was close, could go either way.

Boro hit, he turned, can't blame the guy who hit him too much.
- david22

1)Gryba didn't leave his feet. 2) He lead with his shoulder, not his elbow. 3) I was taught since peewee hockey, DO NOT watch your entire pass to a teammate, especially with your head down. Especially x2 when it's a drop pass.

Anisimov hopfully learned a lesson here. Obviously the hard way.

Also, this is exactly what the Sens need from Gryba, Cowen, Boro and Methot. Big mean ''stay at home'' Defencemen. Let Karlsson, Ceci, Weircioch be the guys to push the play & pinch.

Love Gryba. Loved the hit. Hope he has a big hit every game.

Wier,greening, and condra need to be gone .Neil is fine as the 13th forward
- top shelf 15

Yeah, Im getting tired of hearing the twitosphere and adv stats guys rave about PW. Listen, he can have all the sexy numbers he wants, he has to play with a bit more speed and edge. He's soft and slow and indecisive

As for lines, going forward you need to have MM9 playing 2nd line with MZ and AC90. Put Hoff and Stone on the third w Legwand.

Love Gryba. Loved the hit. Hope he has a big hit every game.
- spatso

If Gryba played w more of an edge, he would be that much better. for a 5-6 guy he is good. Not slow, plays safe.... I like his game. He's cheap too. Move Cowen or PW.

If Gryba played w more of an edge, he would be that much better. for a 5-6 guy he is good. Not slow, plays safe.... I like his game. He's cheap too. Move Cowen or PW.
- BodyCheckRadio

His board play is amateurish and he is slow. Like Cowen though, if he can augment his physical game he'll be much more useful.