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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 29 @ 2:35 PM ET
What you're missing is that the stat is based on points, which is how the NHL calculates the standings. The NHL standings is a points based system. Therefore if you have earned half of the points available to the team, then you are a .500 team.

If you want my personal opinion. A team who hasn't won half of it's games should be considered a .500 team. But that's not the reality of the NHL standings system. It is skewed because you can actually earn points even if you lost the game. But what I or any other fan thinks is irrelevant to the facts of the standings.

- MJL

Wait.. this is the first time in recorded HB history that you ignored semantics and just agreed to something... unless you are just (frank)ing with us and left the n't of the should on purpose.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 29 @ 2:35 PM ET
In other news - http://www.csnphilly.com/...d-literally-destroys-puck
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Oct 29 @ 2:35 PM ET
You've missed the point. My statement is based on how I interpret it. It's based on the official standings and how the NHL ranks teams in it's point based standings system.
- MJL


I didn't miss your point. You interpret via the points system. Others interpret it via wins and losses. Neither are wrong.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 29 @ 2:35 PM ET
So I am going to use official NHL standings.

Flyers have 4 wins.
Flyers have 5 losses.

Now, because my homeboy Pythagoras of Samos decided Math was a cool ting...

I will do math.

Flyers have played 9 games. They have won 4 games. 4/9=z

z=.444444∞

That looks to me like a mathematical answer. Typically math is factual as well.

- jak521


If the Flyers board a plane from Philadelphia heading to Tampa Bay at 10 AM, and the Lightning depart from their homes at 4 PM, who will score the first goal of the game?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 29 @ 2:35 PM ET
It's really sad that this argument is one of the more interesting of the daily 8-page variety we've come to put up with.
- jmatchett383

Did you end up stubbing your toe or what? I have been dying to hear.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 2:35 PM ET
So I am going to use official NHL standings.

Flyers have 4 wins.
Flyers have 5 losses.

Now, because my homeboy Pythagoras of Samos decided Math was a cool ting...

I will do math.

Flyers have played 9 games. They have won 4 games. 4/9=z

z=.444444∞

That looks to me like a mathematical answer. Typically math is factual as well.

- jak521



You're not using the official NHL standings. You're just using the wins and loss column. And you've omitted points earned by not losing in regulation and OT. In the NHL points based standings system, there are sometimes 3 points available in some games.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Oct 29 @ 2:36 PM ET
So the Flyers current streak is equivalent to taking two Viagra's, downing a six-pack of 8 hour energies, and then walking around in sweatpants (sans underwear) in a shopping mall?
- jak521

um, wow. This went someplace scary fast...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 29 @ 2:36 PM ET
Did you end up stubbing your toe or what? I have been dying to hear.
- jak521


I don't remember that exact convo, but I once dislocated my toe walking down my steps. Just popped it back into place, and then watched it become 3 times its normal size.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Oct 29 @ 2:37 PM ET
"It's a 60 grit day."
- jmatchett383

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 2:37 PM ET
I didn't miss your point. You interpret via the points system. Others interpret it via wins and losses. Neither are wrong.
- NickTheKid87



I'm not interpreting anything. That's what you're missing. I'm simply going by what the NHL says. if I was giving my own interpretation and opinion, I'd state that the Flyers aren't a .500 team. But I've removed opinion from the equation, and just used the facts.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 29 @ 2:37 PM ET
If the Flyers board a plane from Philadelphia heading to Tampa Bay at 10 AM, and the Lightning depart from their homes at 4 PM, who will score the first goal of the game?
- jmatchett383

Oooh.. toughie..

Depends on which airline they take. If the Flyers take Deta they are (frank)ed.

If Tampa Bay's flight gets delayed due to a squall.. they Flyers are (frank)ed.

Only sensible solution. Broke Steben Stamkisses legs.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Oct 29 @ 2:38 PM ET
Did I pop in at a bad time?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 29 @ 2:38 PM ET
um, wow. This went someplace scary fast...
- FlyersGrace

Please don't judge me.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 29 @ 2:38 PM ET
I think you're on to something...

"The Flyers are not .500 because they haven't won half their games!"
"Wrong, the Flyers are .500 because they have half the points they could have!"
"I'm not talking about points, I'm talking about wins!"
"Well you're wrong because that's not what the NHL uses in the standings!"
"That's ok because that's not what I'm talking about!"
"Well you're wrong!"
"But I'm not talking about what you're talking about!"
"But if I act like you are, that makes you wrong and me right! So there!"
" "

- NickTheKid87



I think that sums it up.

Did you know the NHL ranks their standings according to points?

kramer mind blown gif
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 2:38 PM ET
I didn't miss your point at all. You just didn't supply what I requested.
- BulliesPhan87



Sure I did. You just rejected it for a random reason.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 29 @ 2:39 PM ET
You're not using the official NHL standings. You're just using the wins and loss column. And you've omitted points earned by not losing in regulation and OT. In the NHL points based standings system, there are sometimes 3 points available in some games.
- MJL

But.. I.. didnt mention points. Just how many win and how many losses. I also like spotted cows.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 29 @ 2:39 PM ET
Did I pop in at a bad time?
- 77rams


Does elves wear curly shoes?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 29 @ 2:39 PM ET
Sure I did. You just rejected it for a random reason.
- MJL

You're wrong.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 29 @ 2:39 PM ET
god theyre cool.
- stayinthefnnet


flyhoc
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.14.2009

Oct 29 @ 2:39 PM ET
The issue is the not every game has the same point value. Where some games are 3 point games, and some are 2 point games, totally changes winning percentages.
Either 0 points for overtime and shootout, or go with 3 pts for regulation win, 2 points for OT/SO win and 1 point for overtime/shottout losses.
Today the Flyers point percentage is really .455 they have gained 10 points out of 22 that have been awarded in their games to date. They have played 4 games that went beyond 60 minutes, so 9 games of 2 points plus 4 games at 3 points.
In the 3 point per win system they would be at .444 having 12 points out of 27 total. At least with the 3 point per game system, there is uniformity, one game is not worth more or less than any other game.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 29 @ 2:39 PM ET
But.. I.. didnt mention points. Just how many win and how many losses. I also like spotted cows.
- jak521


How do you feel about the brown ones?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 29 @ 2:40 PM ET

- hammarby31


Heresay
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 2:40 PM ET
You're wrong.
- BulliesPhan87



Now that is an opinion.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 29 @ 2:40 PM ET
I'm not interpreting anything. That's what you're missing. I'm simply going by what the NHL says. if I was giving my own interpretation and opinion, I'd state that the Flyers aren't a .500 team. But I've removed opinion from the equation, and just used the facts.
- MJL


You must be trolling.

MJL is sitting at his computer just laughing his a$$ off right now.

"You've missed the point. My statement is based on how I interpret it. It's based on the official standings and how the NHL ranks teams in it's point based standings system."
-MJL
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Oct 29 @ 2:40 PM ET
Opinion. I say he is balding, not bald.

Please engage me in endless circular debate.

- jmatchett383


Sounds like a plan...I say his hair is getting sheltered minutes!
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