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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Oct 26 @ 12:47 AM ET
Ghost of Kerry Fraser?

Actually, I'm watching the third now, so I haven't seen those yet. The faceoff violation was a bad call, didn't catch which Red Wing it was on, but he played the puck with his stick

- Jsaquella

Yeah that one was on Andersson. I think the ref just wanted some TV time. Clearly he knows he can't use his hand in the offensive zone regardless of the faceoff rule. I thought he used the shaft of his stick too.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 26 @ 12:47 AM ET
Ok then next question. Why didn't they call the high stick on Datsyuk or the trip on Nyquist in the last 5 minutes?
- Feds91Stammer

I have your answer, and it is this: Because NHL referees are terrible.

I remember the trip on Nyquist but don't remember the high stick. Not saying it didn't happen though.

I also seem to remember a blatant offsides call going unnoticed our way, as well as a blatant icing call being missed in your guys' favor. The horrendousness does not discriminate, unless you play the Penguins or the Habs.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Oct 26 @ 12:50 AM ET
It's interesting to me that Hexy claims Ghost is here on a "day to day" basis.

I mean...what else are they gonna do? Would he really call him up for a week's worth of games just to send him down again for...Brandon Manning? What?

I'd keep him up for the 15 games that either Coburn or Amac miss, then send him down once one of them suit up, or they find a veteran. It gives the team a good look at what he can do, and more importantly, the team and the player can see what can be worked on down in the AHL level.

A day to day basis for this kid seems silly to me, imo. I'm not saying he should be here to stay, but unless he just really poops the bed, he should stay up until one of those guys comes back.

- Giroux_Is_God

Probably an ice time thing. Like he might develop better getting 20+ minutes in the AHL than he will getting 12 minutes with the Flyers.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 26 @ 12:51 AM ET
It's interesting to me that Hexy claims Ghost is here on a "day to day" basis.

I mean...what else are they gonna do? Would he really call him up for a week's worth of games just to send him down again for...Brandon Manning? What?

I'd keep him up for the 15 games that either Coburn or Amac miss, then send him down once one of them suit up, or they find a veteran. It gives the team a good look at what he can do, and more importantly, the team and the player can see what can be worked on down in the AHL level.

A day to day basis for this kid seems silly to me, imo. I'm not saying he should be here to stay, but unless he just really poops the bed, he should stay up until one of those guys comes back.

- Giroux_Is_God


He wants Gostisbehere to play in the AHL and is trying to add a veteran via trade or UFA
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 26 @ 12:52 AM ET
Yeah that one was on Andersson. I think the ref just wanted some TV time. Clearly he knows he can't use his hand in the offensive zone regardless of the faceoff rule. I thought he used the shaft of his stick too.
- Feds91Stammer


Just saw the high stick, should have been called.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Oct 26 @ 12:52 AM ET
I have your answer, and it is this: Because NHL referees are terrible.

I remember the trip on Nyquist but don't remember the high stick. Not saying it didn't happen though.

I also seem to remember a blatant offsides call going unnoticed our way, as well as a blatant icing call being missed in your guys' favor. The horrendousness does not discriminate, unless you play the Penguins or the Habs.

- Giroux_Is_God

Datsyuk had the puck near the high slot and got hit in the face real good. I do remember the non icing as well when the puck went by both teams benches as they were changing. I really don't know why Jimmy wasn't in net though.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 26 @ 12:57 AM ET
Probably an ice time thing. Like he might develop better getting 20+ minutes in the AHL than he will getting 12 minutes with the Flyers.
- Feds91Stammer

Certainly true, but who's to say Roob can't roll him out there for 17-18 minutes? He hardly looked out of place tonight once the jitters got out
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 26 @ 12:59 AM ET
He wants Gostisbehere to play in the AHL and is trying to add a veteran via trade or UFA
- Jsaquella

Yeah that's what I figured. But I mean that's not a given. What if he doesn't find one?

We already had one player shoot us down
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 26 @ 1:00 AM ET
Datsyuk had the puck near the high slot and got hit in the face real good. I do remember the non icing as well when the puck went by both teams benches as they were changing. I really don't know why Jimmy wasn't in net though.
- Feds91Stammer

Didn't he pull a groin not too long ago? Or is that water under the bridge?
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Oct 26 @ 1:01 AM ET
Yeah that's what I figured. But I mean that's not a given. What if he doesn't find one?

We already had one player shoot us down

- Giroux_Is_God



Frank Bouillon?

Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Oct 26 @ 1:01 AM ET
Certainly true, but who's to say Roob can't roll him out there for 17-18 minutes? He hardly looked out of place tonight once the jitters got out
- Giroux_Is_God

Definitely but a year in the AHL might be good for him to refine his game. Krug played a full year in the AHL and that has worked out for him.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 08.14.2011

Oct 26 @ 1:03 AM ET
Didn't he pull a groin not too long ago? Or is that water under the bridge?
- Giroux_Is_God






Sorry, I know, but someone had to do this once the "pulled groin" was brought up
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
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Oct 26 @ 1:04 AM ET
Didn't he pull a groin not too long ago? Or is that water under the bridge?
- Giroux_Is_God

He was put on 48hr IR last week with a sore groin. Played the last 2 games and they don't play again until Wednesday. Not that it was Gustavsson's fault but I always worry when he's in net. I can't wait until next year when Mrazek will finally be up full time.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
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Oct 26 @ 1:05 AM ET



Sorry, I know, but someone had to do this once the "pulled groin" was brought up

- puckhead17

Haha. Well done.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
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Oct 26 @ 1:07 AM ET
Haha. Well done.
- Feds91Stammer

And since you went there I want to say Mike Fisher is my (frank)ing hero
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Oct 26 @ 1:09 AM ET
And since you went there I want to say Mike Fisher is my (frank)ing hero

- Feds91Stammer



Yes, I agree he's doing quite well!

(Karen Howard in that dress though............................whew!
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 26 @ 1:09 AM ET
Definitely but a year in the AHL might be good for him to refine his game. Krug played a full year in the AHL and that has worked out for him.
- Feds91Stammer

Absolutely. I actually am a proponent of him sticking down in the AHL for the season, but I'm also a proponent of the Flyers giving themselves the best chance they can to win hockey games.

Their top 2 dmen are down, after all. I say play him for 15 games, then send him back to the A for the rest of the year (hopefully the injuries are over by that point)
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
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Oct 26 @ 1:10 AM ET
Yes, I agree he's doing quite well!

(Karen Howard in that dress though............................whew!

- puckhead17

Yes Karen seems like a nice lady. Too bad we aren't pro athletes
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
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Oct 26 @ 1:10 AM ET
It's interesting to me that Hexy claims Ghost is here on a "day to day" basis.

I mean...what else are they gonna do? Would he really call him up for a week's worth of games just to send him down again for...Brandon Manning? What?

I'd keep him up for the 15 games that either Coburn or Amac miss, then send him down once one of them suit up, or they find a veteran. It gives the team a good look at what he can do, and more importantly, the team and the player can see what can be worked on down in the AHL level.

A day to day basis for this kid seems silly to me, imo. I'm not saying he should be here to stay, but unless he just really poops the bed, he should stay up until one of those guys comes back.

- Giroux_Is_God


I suspect unless Ghost makes a really strong case for himself, we'll see them audition a number of Phantoms during this next month. Hagg is looking all kinds of terrific, and he's got a more mature game than Ghost. Manning, as you mentioned. Alt, if he's not seriously hurt.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
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Oct 26 @ 1:10 AM ET
Absolutely. I actually am a proponent of him sticking down in the AHL for the season, but I'm also a proponent of the Flyers giving themselves the best chance they can to win hockey games.

Their top 2 dmen are down, after all. I say play him for 15 games, then send him back to the A for the rest of the year (hopefully the injuries are over by that point)

- Giroux_Is_God

The lightning would probably given up Brewer for real cheap before Hedman got hurt.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Oct 26 @ 1:15 AM ET
Absolutely. I actually am a proponent of him sticking down in the AHL for the season, but I'm also a proponent of the Flyers giving themselves the best chance they can to win hockey games.

Their top 2 dmen are down, after all. I say play him for 15 games, then send him back to the A for the rest of the year (hopefully the injuries are over by that point)

- Giroux_Is_God


They learned from rushing players in the past, (Sbisa was probably the best example, especially playing a much more difficult position).
I'm surprised he was brought up over Manning, Alt, or Lauridsen, guess that doesn't say much for those guys.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 26 @ 1:19 AM ET
They learned from rushing players in the past, (Sbisa was probably the best example, especially playing a much more difficult position).
I'm surprised he was brought up over Manning, Alt, or Lauridsen, guess that doesn't say much for those guys.

- puckhead17


Of those three only Alt has a chance to be more than a 6th or 7th guy at the NHL level.

I'm guessing they decided to give Ghost a shot to appease the fanbase and to get a glimpse of what he can do at the NHL level.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 26 @ 1:36 AM ET
I suspect unless Ghost makes a really strong case for himself, we'll see them audition a number of Phantoms during this next month. Hagg is looking all kinds of terrific, and he's got a more mature game than Ghost. Manning, as you mentioned. Alt, if he's not seriously hurt.
- Tomahawk

I certainly wouldn't have a problem seeing Hagg suit up a few games. A week and a half for Ghost, a week and a half for Hagg, and a week and a half for Alt. It'll be a committee role. Maybe Laughton can come up and play D for a little!!
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 26 @ 1:37 AM ET
The lightning would probably given up Brewer for real cheap before Hedman got hurt.
- Feds91Stammer

Nice call. Man, that sucks for them. I can't say I'm sympathetic though
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
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Oct 26 @ 1:40 AM ET
Nice call. Man, that sucks for them. I can't say I'm sympathetic though
- Giroux_Is_God

They will be a scary team when healthy.
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