He can't really improve much in Juniors though. You're basically stagnating his development by sending him there.
- buffalofan19

They stagnated Grigo's development more by keeping him here. After all he went through he's been earning a star in almost every game. It made Grigo even more determined. Plus he's matured a lot. So I don't agree with you there.

They stagnated Grigo's development more by keeping him here. After all he went through he's been earning a star in almost every game. It made Grigo even more determined. Plus he's matured a lot. So I don't agree with you there.
- sippyd

They stagnated his development by keeping him here, and then playing him with players he had no business playing with. I still think it could have worked out up here if they treated him differently. You play skill players with other skill players, not the grinders he was mostly tied up with.

He can't really improve much in Juniors though. You're basically stagnating his development by sending him there.
- buffalofan19

You really don't understand player development. So what has worked for franchises like Detroit and Los Angeles is really not the right way . OK got it ! They never rush their youth up. The believe in developing them . Buy all those franchises success is a fluke .

OK . I am starting to see the logic now.

They stagnated Grigo's development more by keeping him here. After all he went through he's been earning a star in almost every game. It made Grigo even more determined. Plus he's matured a lot. So I don't agree with you there.
- sippyd

I'm mostly worried that they will botch this whole thing like Grigo. Realize halfway through the season that the kid is just getting killed out there, and decide to send him back.

At least if he goes back he won't have to deal with rotating in and out with the other Euros, like grigs did.

You really don't understand player development. So what has worked for franchise like Detroit and Los Angeles is really not the right way . OK got it ! They never rush their youth up. The believe in developing them . Buy all those franchises success is a fluke .

OK . I am starting to see the logic now.





- Maximum Signal

I don't know much about Detroit and LA sending players back to juniors, but they do let them develop in the AHL, which is not a viable option in this discussion...

Ok, this was fun.

Gotta do some winter prep now before the game.
"see" you here here then..

Until then, I say package Ennis, Hodgson, and Foligno to Carolina for their 2015 1st.
Tank full court press and build the Lottery %'s as high as possible for shot at both of McEichel....that would really piss off Bettwoman .. I can't decide which would be more fun...seeing him get booed when he has to come to Buff to deliver the SC...or just having that dreamed fulfilled and watching those two on the same team!
- IonSabres

I really don't want to lose Ennis . It was be nice to have a creative player like him on the wing for McEichel of Reinhart

So you could or couldn't care less?
- JCSabs06

I know, caught it too late and was too lazy to edit.
Couldn't agree less.
Plenty for him to work on...that is why they are paying Cunneyworth...development coach. Buy him a freakin house in Koteney with a barn as a weight room and have Reinhart live with him their And develop under his watchful eye.
His brain or Hockey I Q isn't the problem. He can develop in the A even against boys...skating, going to dirty areas, bulking up. The NHL isnt where you develop...it is where you play when developed.Period.

I don't know much about Detroit and LA sending players back to juniors, but they do let them develop in the AHL, which is not a viable option in this discussion...
- JCSabs06

Before they can go to the AHL . They have to go back to junior first . They are patient with their player development.

I don't know much about Detroit and LA sending players back to juniors, but they do let them develop in the AHL, which is not a viable option in this discussion...
- JCSabs06

Exactly. The question becomes: where can the player best develop in the options available to you?

Also, Detroit hasn't drafted this high in a while, so they haven't had to worry about it, but the players that LA did draft high did stick in the NHL right away.

Before they can go to the AHL . They have to go back to junior first . They are patient with their player development.
- Maximum Signal

You're talking about guys like Tanner Pearson and Tyler Toffoli, both of whom were no earlier than 30th overall. It's been well documented that the talent and NHL readiness drops dramatically after the top 10, with very few exceptions. The guys they did draft high, like Doughty, stuck right away. Apples and Oranges.

Exactly. The question becomes: where can the player best develop in the options available to you?

Also, Detroit hasn't drafted this high in a while, so they haven't had to worry about it, but the players that LA did draft high did stick in the NHL right away.
- buffalofan19

Different players develop at different rates . Having a great skill set does not mean a player is physically or mentally ready for the NHL game yet . But you are never going to grasp that concept . Reinhart is not ready and going back to junior will not stifle his development ,for that reason . He goes back . Works on his weaknesses. . Gets big minutes . Plays in all situations and becomes even better. Did not hurt Jonathan Drouin's development.

I am done with this as you never want to understand anyways and don't want to feel the wrath of the goose !

Different players develop at different rates . Having a great skill set does not mean a player is physically or mentally ready for the NHL game yet . But you are never going to grasp that concept . Reinhart is not ready and going back to junior will not stifle his development ,for that reason . He goes back . Works on his weaknesses. . Gets big minutes . Plays in all situations and becomes even better. Did not hurt Jonathan Drouin's development.

I am done with this as you never want to understand anyways and don't want to feel the wrath of the goose !
- Maximum Signal

I understand exactly what you're saying. What I'm saying is that those aren't Reinhart's shortcomings. His shortcomings all have to do with things that can only be developed at the NHL level. He doesn't need to improve his skating, or his shot, or his defensive game, or anything like that. All of his "weaknesses" are things that can only be addressed at the pro level. Ideally, that's the AHL, but that's not available. The Kings understood that with their very high draft picks (i.e. the guys with elite talent). The Red Wings never had to deal with that problem.

Btw, Drouin also had a documented "attitude problem", part of the reason they sent him there. If Reinhart has one, the Sabres are doing one hell of a job keeping it under wraps, especially in today's day and age of social media.

Before they can go to the AHL . They have to go back to junior first . They are patient with their player development.
- Maximum Signal

I don't know about LA, but Detroit's development tends to happen across seas or in college.

In both places the developing players are up against players their own age/size or bigger/older.

I don't know about LA, but Detroit's development tends to happen across seas or in college.

In both places the developing players are up against players their own age/size or bigger/older.
- JCSabs06

You do realize the age limit in the CHL is 20 and 21 for overage juniors ? It is not like he is going back to play against 14 and 15 year olds.He is 18.

You do realize the age limit in the CHL is 20 and 21 for overage juniors ? It is not like he is going back to play against 14 and 15 year olds.He is 18.
- Maximum Signal

Yea, but there's a reason they are overage and playing in the CHL...

I understand exactly what you're saying. What I'm saying is that those aren't Reinhart's shortcomings. His shortcomings all have to do with things that can only be developed at the NHL level. He doesn't need to improve his skating, or his shot, or his defensive game, or anything like that. All of his "weaknesses" are things that can only be addressed at the pro level. Ideally, that's the AHL, but that's not available. The Kings understood that with their very high draft picks (i.e. the guys with elite talent). The Red Wings never had to deal with that problem.

Btw, Drouin also had a documented "attitude problem", part of the reason they sent him there. If Reinhart has one, the Sabres are doing one hell of a job keeping it under wraps, especially in today's day and age of social media.
- buffalofan19

I suggest you check the King's draft history closer . The only #1 pick that came straight to the NHL was Doughty . Even Schenn and went back . They have a 4th overall and 5th overall pick that have not even sniffed the NHL.

Ok, this was fun.

Gotta do some winter prep now before the game.
"see" you here here then..

Until then, I say package Ennis, Hodgson, and Foligno to Carolina for their 2015 1st.
Tank full court press and build the Lottery %'s as high as possible for shot at both of McEichel....that would really piss off Bettwoman .. I can't decide which would be more fun...seeing him get booed when he has to come to Buff to deliver the SC...or just having that dreamed fulfilled and watching those two on the same team!
- IonSabres

you fail to realize that if we packaged those guys for their first, they may make the playoffs or at least a decent run to 9th place. Leaving us with a mid 1st round pick, not to mention trading away our best playmaker and probably goal scorer who is entering his prime. idk how kidding you were about this but it definitely wasnt well thought out

Yea, but there's a reason they are overage and playing in the CHL...
- JCSabs06

But still you make it sound like we would be sending him back to play against 15 year olds . Have you been to any CHL game? I go to 4 or 5 a year . Be it Erie or Niagara or London . It is damn good hockey.

Send Reinhart back. Bring Grigorenko here for the last 30 games or so.

You can't have McDavid, Reinhart and Grigorenko in your lineup with that little experience

Send Reinhart back. Bring Grigorenko here for the last 30 games or so.

You can't have McDavid, Reinhart and Grigorenko in your lineup with that little experience
- sbroads24

Works for me . Grigo has really gotten it . Watched the Amerks game last night . He has made an amazing transformation !

Works for me . Grigo has really gotten it . Watched the Amerks game last night . He has made an amazing transformation !
- Maximum Signal

I haven't seen him play since he was up. But just watching him on the ice those few games you can see there is a big dif in his game from last season.
Glad he is continuing to develop and helping the Amerks win.

I haven't seen him play since he was up. But just watching him on the ice those few games you can see there is a big dif in his game from last season.
Glad he is continuing to develop and helping the Amerks win.
- cabin

I would Rather he stay in the AHL myself a while longer. But I would not have a problem either if they brought him up.

Send Reinhart back. Bring Grigorenko here for the last 30 games or so.

You can't have McDavid, Reinhart and Grigorenko in your lineup with that little experience
- sbroads24

It's gonna be really interesting to see who ends up at center next year.

I would Rather he stay in the AHL myself a while longer. But I would not have a problem either if they brought him up.
- Maximum Signal

Sooner or later our guys are gonna start scoring . They just need to put some plays together and add some finish. They have too much talent to be held where they are.

It's gonna be really interesting to see who ends up at center next year.
- joshs

Not a bad problem to have . Remember last time we had this problem?

I don't.