Could be he can't handle the amount of ice time the other lines get.
- cabin

None of the players can handle the amount of ice time they are getting....

That will happen when you're buried on the 4th line. Part of good coaching is putting players where they can best succeed. The past 3 regimes, including this one, have been very poor at that.
- buffalofan19

So, IMO Sam isn't ready for the NHL.
That's OK for this year. Send him back with their list of development goals. No shame in it, and continue to play a ton of time in all situations...all while building his frame out...al la Grigorenko this summer. Play in WJC and dominate (except against the US, yes I'm a homer) Next year, play in the A and continue with the development of the physical, skating and going to the net aspects of his game...2016, break into the N and show everyone there is no shame in developing your game at the right pace.

So, IMO Sam isn't ready for the NHL.
That's OK for this year. Send him back with their list of development goals. No shame in it, and continue to play a ton of time in all situations...all while building his frame out...al la Grigorenko this summer. Play in WJC and dominate (except against the US, yes I'm a homer) Next year, play in the A and continue with the development of the physical, skating and going to the net aspects of his game...2016, break into the N and show everyone there is no shame in developing your game at the right pace.
- IonSabres

Wait a minute.... Did you just reply to a poster without attacking him/her or his/her profession?
I think you can get banned for that.
Or maybe it's the other way around?
Gold star for you sir.

So, IMO Sam isn't ready for the NHL.
That's OK for this year. Send him back with their list of development goals. No shame in it, and continue to play a ton of time in all situations...all while building his frame out...al la Grigorenko this summer. Play in WJC and dominate (except against the US, yes I'm a homer) Next year, play in the A and continue with the development of the physical, skating and going to the net aspects of his game...2016, break into the N and show everyone there is no shame in developing your game at the right pace.
- IonSabres

We are talking about the 2nd pick in the draft. Not many second picks have to go to ahl. His development reminds me of a late first rounder

It should be all about results. Both of our franchises have had plenty of good "practice players" that have never delivered when it matters over the years. When the games are played for real, very few players doing anything of real value. Not to mention, Coach Theo has been complimenting Reinhart's efforts in practices as of late. So unless he's a liar for sport, that argument holds no water either.
- buffalofan19

Ok Coach Theo should destroy the kid's confidence . I got you , . Reinhart has the tools no denying it . Just not ready for this level yet . We all saw that at the prospects camp . Cabin showed you the stats. They wanted to give him a look in NHL games . So they could give him a solid critique of what he needs to work on. And yes practice does matter when you are developing . The great ones practice and work on their skills even harder than the marginal players. Every team in the league moves players up and down in the lineup based on their current skill level and output . But they all must be wrong to.

That will happen when you're buried on the 4th line. Part of good coaching is putting players where they can best succeed. The past 3 regimes, including this one, have been very poor at that.
- buffalofan19

Lately I don't see much difference between the 1st & 4th lines.

Lately I don't see much difference between the 1st & 4th lines.
- sippyd

They are all 3rd liners

2016 is going to be fun...

C - McEichel, Reinhart, Grigorenko, Girgensons, Ennis, Larson, Compher, Kea, Hurley
W - Mouson, Armia, Fashing, Baptistery, Bailey, Lemieux, Carrier, Deslaurie, Possler, Gionta, Foligno
D - Myers, Risto, Gorges, Zadorov, McCabe, Pysyk, Ruhwedle
And that doesn't consider 2015's 2 more 1st and 2 2nds!
Add in some prospects from Stewert, Stafford, etc. trades, sprinkle is a FA signing or two....Man that team is going to be stacked.

They are all 3rd liners
- jochfr

That is a very astute observation!

Ok Coach Theo should destroy the kid's confidence . I got you , . Reinhart has the tools no denying it . Just not ready for this level yet . We all saw that at the prospects camp . Cabin showed you the stats. They wanted to give him a look in NHL games . So they could give him a solid critique of what he needs to work on. And yes practice does matter when you are developing . The great ones practice and work on their skills even harder than the marginal players. Every team in the league moves players up and down in the lineup based on their current skill level and output . But they all must be wrong to.





- Maximum Signal

I never said practice doesn't matter, or that players don't need practice to get better at their craft. I said that if a player does well in practice, but doesn't perform when it matters, it doesn't help your team. Sam Reinhart is not being put in a position to succeed. Not to mention, the areas that he needs to improve on (i.e. body mass, getting used to the speed of the pro game) aren't things that he can improve on in juniors. If you want someone to improve at something, you send him to the best place he can do that. In a perfect world, that's the AHL, but it's not an option right now, so you need to pick the next available option. Given that you get used to the NHL game by playing in the NHL, the Buffalo Sabres would be it.

They are all 3rd liners
- jochfr

In other words, a player like Reinhart should stay far away from this team, for now. Look how good Grigo is doing. I wouldn't want him here either this season.

Lately I don't see much difference between the 1st & 4th lines.
- sippyd

Fair enough, but the concept still stands that if you want a player that you hope to produce offensively to improve at this level, you need to play him with other players that represent his skillset. Nic Deslauriers and Cody McCormick don't do that.

Wait a minute.... Did you just reply to a poster without attacking him/her or his/her profession?
I think you can get banned for that.
Or maybe it's the other way around?
Gold star for you sir.
- jochfr

LISTEN UP here you A-hole!, not only do you suck at your job, if you even have one, but your Mom doesn't like you...never did never will! IDIOT!

Errrrr, I mean, why Thank you Kind Sir..

In other words, a player like Reinhart should stay far away from this team, for now. Look how good Grigo is doing. I wouldn't want him here either this season.
- sippyd

Agreed... Don't bring up Grigs until either late in the year or next year. Bring Grigs and Armia up as a package deal eventually.

I never said practice doesn't matter, or that players don't need practice to get better at their craft. I said that if a player does well in practice, but doesn't perform when it matters, it doesn't help your team. Sam Reinhart is not being put in a position to succeed. Not to mention, the areas that he needs to improve on (i.e. body mass, getting used to the speed of the pro game) aren't things that he can improve on in juniors. If you want someone to improve at something, you send him to the best place he can do that. In a perfect world, that's the AHL, but it's not an option right now, so you need to pick the next available option. Given that you get used to the NHL game by playing in the NHL, the Buffalo Sabres would be it.
- buffalofan19

This must be the worst team in NHL history. Reinhart needs to get away from it soon. Go back to Juniors and then to Rochester next season for a few months. Then he can join Grigo and Armia here.

In other words, a player like Reinhart should stay far away from this team, for now. Look how good Grigo is doing. I wouldn't want him here either this season.
- sippyd

If the AHL were available, I would agree. However, you need to put him in a place with the most room for improvement. He already dominates in junior. People act like it's inconceivable that Reinhart could improve over an 82 game season here. In a throw away year like this, why not let him take his lumps? If being here "too early" ruins the kid, he doesn't have what it takes to succeed in the first place, no matter where he develops.

We are talking about the 2nd pick in the draft. Not many second picks have to go to ahl. His development reminds me of a late first rounder
- hafgod

Who freakin cares..so it takes an extra 2 years of solid development and the team ends up with a stud.
2014 and 2015 years are throw-away seasons for this team.. 2016 starts it off.

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Reunited and it feels so good

This must be the worst team in NHL history. Reinhart needs to get away from it soon. Go back to Juniors and then to Rochester next season for a few months. Then he can join Grigo and Armia here.
- sippyd

He can't really improve much in Juniors though. You're basically stagnating his development by sending him there.

I never said practice doesn't matter, or that players don't need practice to get better at their craft. I said that if a player does well in practice, but doesn't perform when it matters, it doesn't help your team. Sam Reinhart is not being put in a position to succeed. Not to mention, the areas that he needs to improve on (i.e. body mass, getting used to the speed of the pro game) aren't things that he can improve on in juniors. If you want someone to improve at something, you send him to the best place he can do that. In a perfect world, that's the AHL, but it's not an option right now, so you need to pick the next available option. Given that you get used to the NHL game by playing in the NHL, the Buffalo Sabres would be it.
- buffalofan19

Your opinion, that's it.
I could agree less.
Send him back. They don't skate in JRs?, Koteney doesn't have weights? he can't learn to take it to the net more consistently? Get used to going to the dirty areas down in the C?
Your argument doesn't hold water.

If the AHL were available, I would agree. However, you need to put him in a place with the most room for improvement. He already dominates in junior. People act like it's inconceivable that Reinhart could improve over an 82 game season here. In a throw away year like this, why not let him take his lumps? If being here "too early" ruins the kid, he doesn't have what it takes to succeed in the first place, no matter where he develops.
- buffalofan19

I don't have a problem with it keeping him here, and I even reason the same way you do. But I think it sends a poopty message to the other players. Especially Grigo.

Your opinion, that's it.
I could agree less.
Send him back. They don't skate in JRs?, Koteney doesn't have weights? he can't learn to take it to the net more consistently? Get used to going to the dirty areas down in the C?
Your argument doesn't hold water.
- IonSabres

The CHL workout regiments aren't as strenuous as the NHL's, simply for the fact that you're talking about boys versus men. He can learn to take it to the net or go to the so-called "dirty areas" just as consistently here, probably even more, than in juniors. It's all about the gameplan that the junior coach lays out. His job is to win games too, not upset his gameplan because he happens to have a #2 pick on his hands.

And all that being said, even if he does "learn" to do that down there, he's doing that against boys, most of whom he's already bigger and stronger than anyway. It doesn't really help the mental part of his game, which is his biggest issue. If he needed to work on a particular skill, like skating, or his shot, or even his defensive game, it would be a completely different argument. Reinhart has all that. He just needs to be used to doing that against better competition than in the CHL.

Your opinion, that's it.
I could agree less.
Send him back. They don't skate in JRs?, Koteney doesn't have weights? he can't learn to take it to the net more consistently? Get used to going to the dirty areas down in the C?
Your argument doesn't hold water.
- IonSabres

So you could or couldn't care less?

Ok, this was fun.

Gotta do some winter prep now before the game.
"see" you here here then..

Until then, I say package Ennis, Hodgson, and Foligno to Carolina for their 2015 1st.
Tank full court press and build the Lottery %'s as high as possible for shot at both of McEichel....that would really piss off Bettwoman .. I can't decide which would be more fun...seeing him get booed when he has to come to Buff to deliver the SC...or just having that dreamed fulfilled and watching those two on the same team!

I don't have a problem with it keeping him here, and I even reason the same way you do. But I think it sends a poopty message to the other players. Especially Grigo.
- JCSabs06

Given the performance of everybody in the forward group not named Zemgus Girgensons, I don't see why it's such a calamity to have both here.