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PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 24 @ 10:03 AM ET
Good, the real you is back

Disagree about LSCHENN

Pair him with Amac and see

I like MDZ but the pairing with Luke is a best a work in progress and at worst good for a major F-up once or twice a game

- Marc D


L. Schenn was a top 5 draft pick, it's his 7th year in the NHL, and the Flyers traded a 30 goal power forward for him.

We have to worry about sheltering him? At this stage shouldn't he be at the very least anchoring a second pairing? He's last in icetime on a patchwork defense core that has been playing without Coburn all year, and no Timonen. It's sink or swim time.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Oct 24 @ 10:03 AM ET
It grates me just to see Luke Schenn on the ice at this point, but I think you have to keep running him out there on the off chance that he finds his game.

I'd give it another couple of weeks before I start asking "should I bench Luke Schenn", but I don't know if Berube will. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Schenn was scratched when Coburn said he was ready to be back in the lineup.

- johndewar


Hextall may have missed his opportunity to trade him.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 24 @ 10:04 AM ET
Yea but overall handsomeness of his line is down
- PhillySportsGuy

They let him play more with Christopher Letang to make up for this though, so it's a wash
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 24 @ 10:07 AM ET
Did you survive renal?
I saw the Mudpiles you posted the other day and laughed

- Marc D

Test on Tuesday!

Another one is indications for dialysis. AEIOU

Met acidosis, electrolyte abnormalities (K and Mg), Intoxication, Fluid Overload, and Uremia

Acronyms
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 24 @ 10:11 AM ET
L. Schenn was a top 5 draft pick, it's his 7th year in the NHL, and the Flyers traded a 30 goal power forward for him.

We have to worry about sheltering him? At this stage shouldn't he be at the very least anchoring a second pairing? He's last in icetime on a patchwork defense core that has been playing without Coburn all year, and no Timonen. It's sink or swim time.

- PLindbergh31

All true and the trade was not good value for them.
I still think LS is an ok defenseman especially if with the right partner.

He is a second pair D man with AMac on this team and also think the way MDZ plays has made Luke's stats worse.

I wouldn't trade him for a 2nd rounder but that is probably his current value. You are selling low I think, only getting a 2nd back.
Maybe I'm drinking the Orange koolaide here.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 24 @ 10:14 AM ET
I wouldn't trade him for a 2nd rounder but that is probably his current value. You are selling low I think, only getting a 2nd back.
- Marc D


2015 2nd > LS

And I'm not a Luke hater, either.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Oct 24 @ 10:16 AM ET
2015 2nd > LS

And I'm not a Luke hater, either.

- Tomahawk


For Edmontons 2nd!
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

Oct 24 @ 10:18 AM ET
2015 2nd > LS

And I'm not a Luke hater, either.

- Tomahawk

Agree here, I think at the TDL maybe a 2nd, but not right now. I think he is a 3rd pair Dman, maybe a 2nd pair with the right player, unfortunately playing with MDZ has not worked. I wonder how long it will take chief to try something different
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Oct 24 @ 10:18 AM ET
Agreed. Players like Claude Giroux and Shea Weber are only available with top-end lottery picks.
- jmatchett383

Yeah I would rather have them than Toews and Doughty and their multiple Stanley Cups.

Fun fact their has only be two cup winners since 1995 that didn't have a top 5 pick key contributor on their roster, Detroit 2008 and Boston 2011 (if you don't count Seguin). So 2 in 19 but high picks don't matter.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
All true and the trade was not good value for them.
I still think LS is an ok defenseman especially if with the right partner.

He is a second pair D man with AMac on this team and also think the way MDZ plays has made Luke's stats worse.

I wouldn't trade him for a 2nd rounder but that is probably his current value. You are selling low I think, only getting a 2nd back.
Maybe I'm drinking the Orange koolaide here.

- Marc D


I don't think you are drinking kool-aid Marc. I respect your opinion. I just feel Schenn is what he is at this point.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 24 @ 10:23 AM ET
2015 2nd > LS

And I'm not a Luke hater, either.

- Tomahawk

I know everyone is high on this year's draft but there is a chance the pick becomes a bust. I personally would rather get a prospect back, someone who is at least close to being an NHL player. I can see both sides of the argument
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 24 @ 10:27 AM ET
They let him play more with Christopher Letang to make up for this though, so it's a wash
- Marc D


Letang is not handsome. Not sure why he gets thrown into the handsome category by so many. He's grimy as (frank)
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 24 @ 10:28 AM ET
I know everyone is high on this year's draft but there is a chance the pick becomes a bust. I personally would rather get a prospect back, someone who is at least close to being an NHL player. I can see both sides of the argument
- Marc D


It's runs pretty deep this year... good chance of getting a Bergeron/Backes/Weber/Eriksson with a top-60 pick. With the Flyers draft acumen, I like the odds.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 24 @ 10:28 AM ET
Getting Coburn back should be a big help. Also, any word on Lecavalier's return?
edit: nvm I can't read.

On a side note, this Kuemper kid for the Wild is, well, wild....4 games, 3 shutouts

- Streit2ThePoint


So glad I grabbed him for my fantasy team. Might end up being my saving grace
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 24 @ 10:28 AM ET
Yeah I would rather have them than Toews and Doughty and their multiple Stanley Cups.

Fun fact their has only be two cup winners since 1995 that didn't have a top 5 pick key contributor on their roster, Detroit 2008 and Boston 2011 (if you don't count Seguin). So 2 in 19 but high picks don't matter.

- psuhockey


So if the Flyers win the Cup this year, you can count Luke Schenn as a top contributor since he was 5th overall?
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 24 @ 10:29 AM ET
Please no goalie controversies
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 24 @ 10:31 AM ET
So glad I grabbed him for my fantasy team. Might end up being my saving grace
- mcefalu


I really thought about taking him too, wish I did. Hell I wish I remembered to be online for the draft time ended up with Bob and Howard
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 24 @ 10:33 AM ET
Yeah I would rather have them than Toews and Doughty and their multiple Stanley Cups.

Fun fact their has only be two cup winners since 1995 that didn't have a top 5 pick key contributor on their roster, Detroit 2008 and Boston 2011 (if you don't count Seguin). So 2 in 19 but high picks don't matter.

- psuhockey



Curious how you're counting this... because ANA didn't have a self-picked lottery guy in '07. Why wouldn't you count Seguin? 7pts in 13 games that run.

If it's just top-5 picks period, the Flyers actually have 3 on the active roster, and 6 top-10 picks. Of course, only Couturier was an in-house pick.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 24 @ 10:35 AM ET
It grates me just to see Luke Schenn on the ice at this point, but I think you have to keep running him out there on the off chance that he finds his game.

I'd give it another couple of weeks before I start asking "should I bench Luke Schenn", but I don't know if Berube will. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Schenn was scratched when Coburn said he was ready to be back in the lineup.

- johndewar


The off-chance that he becomes a better skater, improves his hockey sense and stops overthinking everything on the ice?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 24 @ 10:36 AM ET
It's runs pretty deep this year... good chance of getting a Bergeron/Backes/Weber/Eriksson with a top-60 pick. With the Flyers draft acumen, I like the odds.
- Tomahawk

2nd rounders for the Flyers used to be a black hole.
When they even kept the pick!
Hopefully they are turning it around.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 24 @ 10:38 AM ET
2nd rounders for the Flyers used to be a black hole.
When they even kept the pick!
Hopefully they are turning it around.

- Marc D


Stolarz, Hagg and Aube-Kubel seem to have much more hype than guys in years past
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 24 @ 10:43 AM ET
Stolarz, Hagg and Aube-Kubel seem to have much more hype than guys in years past
- PhillySportsGuy


Recency bias?
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Oct 24 @ 10:46 AM ET
So if the Flyers win the Cup this year, you can count Luke Schenn as a top contributor since he was 5th overall?
- jmatchett383

Sure because he is definitely on the same level of the likes of Yzerman, Neidermayer, Crosby or even Lecavalier and E.staal. I could also point out that there has only been 1 cup winner, the 2008 Detroit, since the Rangers in 1994 to win a cup without finishing bottom 10 in the league twice 6 years prior to their first cup, but I am sure you think that is some random meaningless coincidence because all those picks didn't play for the winning team. Even though a lot times those pieces were used in important trades. But hey the Flyers commitment to being competitive has payed of with multiple cup wins in the last 30+ years... Oh wait.

I do have an edit though in that Peter Forsberg was taken 6th overall and not top 5 although one could say he wouldn't even be on the Aves without #1 overall Lindros.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 24 @ 10:47 AM ET
For Edmontons 2nd!
- 3flyerkids


In. A. Heartbeat.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
Recency bias?
- bradleyc4


Who else? They haven't had many 2nd round picks in the last 10 years really. Nodl? Marshall? Ratchuk? Were those guys hyped like these current guys?
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